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Hello, IB, you wrote: IB> When you start to finish speaking already phrases up to the end? You try to prove something to the religious fanatic. Empty it.

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: S>> Well, also what changed from Snoudena? You changed the phone on wire disk, with an impulse dial-up? No. M> I that many people far from IT by that, do not know most would seem the elementary things. By the way, with a mobile phone the example why it is necessary to restrict some vendors is even better. If for the PC still though any choice is, it is possible to select what OS put, though most to write, for almost its all mobile phones is not present. At least officially  the loader I even find it difficult to tell at whom is. Like even was recently at Huawei (sent the code for  under the letter), but they refuse now it. And what for to you officially  the loader? Not-smart phones, without GPS and without tracking, still sell them. Even the terrestrial line still can be received, as far as I know. M>> there is such piece, the property right is called. From which possibility to do everything with the property follows. Including with programs, in this property, and that very much  at such vendors turns out, type yours, but actually the rights de-fatko are selected. S>> there is still any rent and other, contracts happen different. Leasing, for example. M> And it too an example characteristic if there is no possibility at the reasonable price to acquire the goods not in rent simply we have a situation when the corporation wishes to receive also money for the goods and to impose to buyers its usage. And why they cannot make it? If I produce service, I can solve itself, on what conditions it to sell (while it does not contradict the law)? For example, MoyoDelo produces accounts department service, in what level they can solve, on what conditions they sell these services? Whether it is necessary to oblige MoyoDelo (which pure site, without a software) to make an offline-version (as at 1C)? Whether it is necessary to oblige Microsoft to make Windows without telemetry? Whether it is necessary to oblige Google to make paid search in the reasonable price in one cent for request (because not all like to look advertizing)? M> Yes any problems while to the ultimate user do not start to unscrew a hand under the pretext of care of it. Basically I somewhere understand also the vendor, MS probably the terrible zoo in the world from different versions  terribly bothered a different level , all it and to viruses with trojans promotes, moreover and claims to , in a situation when actually bugs are corrected. And nevertheless. Nevertheless what exactly nevertheless? Nevertheless, let's force them sell we their product on our conditions? S>> we do not have communism - you do not have duty to rise a cancer, to deliver itself . If you have principles which telemeterings forbid to be exposed - do not put it, and all. M> Generally, me in this situation surprises more that for some reason the states (speech not only) do not worry about the Russian Federation and easy put 10 with telemetry in the most different establishments where including confidential data are processed. Special OS use only if absolutely it is impossible differently, when already ca and everyone such. Because the state perfectly understands that actually there is nothing terrible in telemetry. And those states which do not understand, those, probably, and do not put Windows. The North Korea, for example.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> you Understand in what business, I here GDPR devote the last month the most part of working hours. _R _> thanks for the information, only here on  from you a word. On a topic I and some more person to you already told - after  does not remain anything except your conjectures so the subject for arguing is not present.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: IB>> in general, GDPR forbids to do nothing dataful. _R _> he forbids to collect them. A pancake, yes read you already the law.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> On a topic I [...] - After  does not remain anything except your conjectures so the subject for arguing is not present. From you any message in essence was not.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> the Pancake, yes read you already the law. A pancake, yes lag behind you me.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: the NANOSECOND>> On a topic I [...] - after  does not remain anything except your conjectures so the subject for arguing is not present. _R _> From you any message in essence was not. It is impossible to answer in essence the message which does not contain this entity.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> It is impossible to answer in essence the message which does not contain this entity. But it is possible   under citations and to ask a question not in a subject. Here to what there was your thoughtful question? Here what for you changed a context? _R _>> with telemetry the identifier  transfer? For certain. NANOSECOND> What for?... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> It is impossible to answer in essence the message which does not contain this entity. But it is necessary to write though something, and that after all burns down, yes?

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Hello, AlexRK, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> It is impossible to answer in essence the message which does not contain this entity. ARK> but it is necessary to write though something, and that after all burns down, yes? To you is more visible, burns down at you or not. Probably burns down, time is so much minuses to me set.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> I do not ignore, I do not see of half-day thought on a devil in details. Then I than cannot help) _R _> Yes we do not continue, and we return to the beginning - that "And Defines what exactly it is necessary, that it is necessary for a clod." It will be restricted by frames GDPR. No. GDPR besides necessity to give the formal substantiation more demands nothing, frames does not put also the size "" does not restrict. At the best it will be restricted by court, but it any more GDPR. _R _> very much suspiciously coincided. You as a whole are similar inclined to suspect more than is actually.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> everything that is wider than this citation - it is forbidden, and any procedures for the extension. Perfectly, but the citation not about that. This piece concerns the specific subject, and as a whole and from all it is possible to collect anything you like. _R _> here also let's talk about the methods of bypass described in most GDPR, Already a half-topic about it we speak. _R _> and up until that time I heard that only about "almost" and "actually" Then re-read once again, there all is chewed in detail _R _> that for me the law not  sounds as "to Lawyers..." Me excites as it sounds for you a little.

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Hello, IB, you wrote: IB> it is fine, but the citation not about that. This piece concerns the specific subject, and as a whole and from all it is possible to collect anything you like. Well at last that! Means, concerning the specific subject prohibitions are. _R _>> here also let's talk about the methods of bypass described in most GDPR, IB> Already a half-topic about it we speak. I speak, leaning against the law text, and to me answer from the narrow-minded point of view. Here such flourish also turns out: I: (47) Legitimate interests of the controler, including the controler to whom personal data can be uncovered, or third party can create legal grounds for handling provided that they have no preferential force over interests or fundamental laws and freedom of the subject of the data, with the registration of reasonable waitings of subjects of the data based on mutual relation with the Controller. Such legitimate interest can take place, for example, if between the subject of the data and the controler there are appropriate relations in situations when the subject of the data is the client or is in the service the controler. Anyway legitimate interest presence needs a careful estimation, including concerning, whether the subject of the data can reasonably expect at collection of personal data that handling will be carried out for the specified purpose. Interests and fundamental laws of the subject of the data can have, in particular, prevailing force over interest of the controler of the data if personal data are processed in conditions when subjects of the data  do not expect carrying out of the subsequent handling. As the legislator is obliged at level of the legal act to provide legal grounds for handling of personal data by public authorities, such legal ground should not be applied concerning handling by public authorities at performance of the tasks by them. The handling of personal data necessary with a view of preventing of swindle, also is a legitimate interest of the appropriate controler of the data. Handling of personal data with a view of address marketing can be considered as the handling serving to a legitimate interest. To me (the answer not to me, but indicative): Large corporations trading in the data with ease bypass them, and small business and  well-disposed ranks go to poverty as cost of observance of the law for them appears very heavy. _R _>> and up until that time I heard that only about "almost" and "actually", IB> Then re-read once again, there all is chewed in detail In detail there chewed about "almost" and "actually", I hoped on "we talk about the methods of bypass described in most GDPR", but not destiny probably. _R _>> that for me the law not  sounds as "to Lawyers..." IB> Me excites as it sounds for you a little. And as it can sound, if a red line transits _R _> Here at all too most. Here it is direct absolutely, adjusted for operation of lawyers.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, IB, you wrote: _R _>> Yes we do not continue, and we return to the beginning - that "And Defines what exactly it is necessary, that it is necessary for a clod." It will be restricted by frames GDPR. IB> Is not present. GDPR besides necessity to give the formal substantiation more demands nothing, frames does not put also the size "" does not restrict. At the best it will be restricted by court, but it any more GDPR. Here so news And representation in EU it is not necessary, and to all locations it is not necessary to resolve physical access But it is figs with it, we return to a data set. GDPR the base (whence again there was formal) demands and puts frames.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> the Pancake, yes lag behind you me. The world pattern falls? This commonplace when the blind faith faces a cruel reality

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_R _> (47) Legitimate interests of the controler, [/q] I will pay your attention that you quote not the law, and comments to it. The original text of the comment https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-47/And here article to which this comment is applied https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/law Article quite to itself blurred.

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Hello, bzig, you wrote: B> I will pay your attention that you quote not the law, and comments to it. He, most likely, quotes what that the textbook of methodics.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> He, most likely, quotes what that the textbook of methodics. https://internetinstitute.ru/wp-content … /GDPR.pdf. The link was found here by the Author: rean Date: 15.05 11:15.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>