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Hello, reversecode, you wrote: R> generally that jit separately from  together. Separately it  is not necessary. R> and itself  it appeared in leaders from for the compact interpreter which it is possible to push even in  R> and many began it  to themselves as simple but powerful  language because with  it fastest other alternatives. And people then even  languages did the. But surpass on speed could not.

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Probably at us the determination miscellaneous jit-a luaJIT is the separate project and when speak about popularity lua that mean language instead of it jit I meant compactness of implementation of the interpreter lua which to jit does not concern at all and if you look at projects which get out on popularity with lua jit there too does not figure

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Hello, barn_czn, you wrote: _> To me already for 40, much saw and taught. I Can understand still why JS did not sink, I hope it TS finishes. But that _> here such shit like a python suddenly started to climb through in all slots as a script - I  do not understand. You could not, about  a gray hair on eggs, show on examples than python shit and with what tasks it does not consult?

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Hello, chaotic-kotik, you wrote: CK> Both a subset and the assembler. Any  the code on JS it  the code on TS. Not absolutely any. And any in TS it is considered a bad form.

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> Asyas? At first, language in  full . Secondly, the Python appeared and applied till now far not only to a ruler. Quality of language in  has no value. He allows conveniently with matrixes and vectors to work and thank God.   do. And to your python to normal computing  as to China on foot. In my data domain at least. And  with a vectorization in  it is better on the order. About that it is stupid faster there where it is necessary to me, I am silent. In general, for me a python -  for poor.

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And yes, also is not present. A python unique language. I did not see any other modern language on which it is possible to write, without knowing its BASIC of 21st century as it is. On the one hand it is good for writing of any auxiliary small things, with another - attracts in  frank monkeys. And the king, clear, the retinue does. Other nuance. There is no such language, as python. There are two absolutely different branches - the second and the third. In the third  delivered typification. If to undertake at once it, and not to climb in second-hand articles - that quite to itself language. PS. A if to discard objectivity, and to pass on , personally me from it . For certain I can not tell why, but most likely it is personal singularities of perception of a reality from the Right-wing conservative positions, and  hostility to the modern youth as a whole and  in particular, from them ---- It seems that it  is projected by gender studies and on the relation to the tools used in formation. Therefore for auxiliary tasks I prefer ruby.

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> Asyas? At first, language in  full . Secondly, the Python appeared and applied till now far not only to a ruler.  ? Same as well as a python. People who on the whole a python also use, especially ML+DS, would not note a special difference.  even it became more convenient, especially to mathematicians.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: S>> What for? What there such incompatibility between 2.7 and 3.0 which cannot be overcome for a year-two? A C> the Main problems that lines changed on "". As a result it is necessary  all code casually not to mix them with bytes. And it so is difficult?

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Hello, reversecode, you wrote: R> the determination miscellaneous jit-a R> luaJIT is visible at us it is the separate project and when speak about popularity lua that mean language instead of it jit without   is used a little. And in what projects? Except an asterisk from rather large - only toys. R> and if you look at projects which get out on popularity with lua jit there too does not figure looked. Did not see.

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Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> Chegojto ? Same as well as a python. People who on the whole a python also use, especially ML+DS, would not note a special difference.  even it became more convenient, especially to mathematicians. Can and VBA same? Language there at level PHP, it even to the Pearl does not hold out. https://www.rath.org/matlab-is-a-terrib … guage.html

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Hello, serj.e, you wrote: SE> the Python unique language. I did not see any other modern language on which it is possible to write, without knowing its BASIC of 21st century as it is. On the one hand it is good for writing of any auxiliary small things, with another - attracts in  frank monkeys. And the king, clear, the retinue does. SE> other nuance. There is no such language, as python. There are two absolutely different branches - the second and the third. In the third  delivered typification. If to undertake at once it, and not to climb in second-hand articles - that quite to itself language. SE> PS. A if to discard objectivity, and to pass on , personally me from it . For certain I can not tell why, but most likely it is personal singularities of perception of a reality from the Right-wing conservative positions, and  hostility to the modern youth as a whole and  in particular, from them ---- It seems that it  is projected by gender studies and on the relation to the tools used in formation. Therefore for auxiliary tasks I prefer ruby. A python normally hate  and Shar-Peis. Most likely business in bent for  to formatting. Thus they a python do not know almost absolutely. And further hello world did not leave.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> Quality of language in  has no value. He allows conveniently with matrixes and vectors to work and thank God. And nympy does not allow? A> Matlab  do. And to your python to normal computing  as to China on foot. In my data domain at least. There is no reality on normality and data domain, but there are suspicions that you sit in a heap . A> And  with a vectorization in  it is better on the order. About that it is stupid faster there where it is necessary to me, I am silent. M  this full shit in comparison with Namboj, and still is Cython, PyPy, Pythran etc. A> in general, for me a python -  for poor.  it . To banks which in large quantities pass to it. At them probably with problem money.

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> And nympy does not allow? Allows, but anything in comparison with  does not give. A>> Matlab  do. And to your python to normal computing  as to China on foot. In my data domain at least. N> there is no reality on normality and data domain, but there are suspicions that you sit in a heap . DSP, noise-resistant coding, algorithms in the field of communication. A>> and  with a vectorization in  it is better on the order. About that it is stupid faster there where it is necessary to me, I am silent. N> M  this full shit in comparison with Namboj, and still is Cython, PyPy, Pythran etc. ? with few decorations? Good-bye. Matlabovsky  too it is possible to twist hands, only here it it is not necessary in most cases. What from 100500 crutches it is necessary to deliver to a python that it was possible to start to compare? A>> in general, for me a python -  for poor. N>  it . To banks which in large quantities pass to it. At them probably with problem money. Here investment banks let also pass. If for banks there are adequate libraries, in a kind way.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> Allows, but anything in comparison with  does not give. In comparison with  it gives normal language and an ecosystem. You here want a visualizer to Matlabu on Qt/Qml to make, and a horse-radish. PyCharm/PyDev/jupyter to use? There etc. A> That else from 100500 crutches it is necessary to deliver to a python that it was possible to start to compare? This all words, and on the facts at other equal the program on a python will be faster written, it is easier in support and to work more bright. A> here investment banks let also pass. If for banks there are adequate libraries, in a kind way. At what here specific libraries? Libraries are written. We argue on language, instead of where at present time the best libraries for DSP.

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> Hello, andyp, you wrote: A>> Allows, but anything in comparison with  does not give. N> in comparison with  it gives normal language and an ecosystem. You here want a visualizer to Matlabu on Qt/Qml to make, and a horse-radish. PyCharm/PyDev/jupyter to use? There etc. Something to Matlabu to fasten easily. It is possible as  to use it or as the server. The reverse task too simply dares - if to you , say, the code has to be launched in Matlabe. A>> that else from 100500 crutches it is necessary to deliver to a python that it was possible to start to compare? N> this all words, and on the facts at other equal the program on a python will be faster written, it is easier in support and to work more bright. It you about the programs told. A>> here investment banks let also pass. If for banks there are adequate libraries, in a kind way. N> at what here specific libraries? Libraries are written. We argue on language, instead of where at present time the best libraries for DSP. I the engineer also use Matlab for fast prototyping. If in these purposes language you use, libraries - almost unique that is important. You want to write one cube, instead of all . Here is how time therefore the Python also loses Matlab.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> Something to Matlabu to fasten easily. It is possible as  to use it or as the server. The reverse task too simply dares - if to you , say, the code has to be launched in Matlabe. That is you should be integrated with exterior language?  this extra time and complexity. A> it you about the programs told. It I about any program told, written under equal initial conditions.  if at you is only  libraries and there is no time  you should not use a python. A> I the engineer also use Matlab for fast prototyping. If in these purposes language you use, libraries - almost unique that is important. That is if you had an abrupt library in your area on Kobole, you too would tell "to the Python there were no reasons to appear if IBM are not greedy."?

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> Hello, andyp, you wrote: A>> Something to Matlabu to fasten easily. It is possible as  to use it or as the server. The reverse task too simply dares - if to you , say, the code has to be launched in Matlabe. N> that is you it is necessary to be integrated with exterior language?  this extra time and complexity. On  it is really simple. , all over, can got used. A>> it you about the programs told. N> it I about any program told, written under equal initial conditions.  if at you is only  libraries and there is no time  you should not use a python. It was the answer about more bright programs. I above wrote that  faster there where it is necessary to me. For example in FFT. A>> I the engineer also use Matlab for fast prototyping. If in these purposes language you use, libraries - almost unique that is important. N> That is if you had an abrupt library in your area on Kobole, you too would tell "to the Python there were no reasons to appear if IBM are not greedy."? Approximately so. Value of language as that is strongly exaggerated. The people from ACM, offering new algorithms, continue it to do on a Fortran. They stand on shoulders of giants, whether horse-radish from them to climb down.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> It there was an answer about more bright programs. I above wrote that  faster there where it is necessary to me. For example in FFT. For FFT what difference from what language to use GPU implementation?

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> Hello, andyp, you wrote: A>> It there was an answer about more bright programs. I above wrote that  faster there where it is necessary to me. For example in FFT. N> N> for FFT what difference from what language to use GPU implementation? What for GPU? The sizes of my arrays not such big that it paid off. It is just necessary to make them much rather.  FFTW uses. Good . scipy - I do not know that, but slower. In a python basically too it is possible FFTW to fasten, fuck with a configuration  and to receive about the same high-speed performance, but what for? There here all so. To me not  and to go. It is fast , and it is necessary to write, understand a lot of the unnecessary code. By the way,  like can in GPU and parallel calculations if  is. I did not try, it was not necessary. I am silent though about any support of arithmetics in finite fields . In  it not sugar but though is. With Fourier over finite fields in a python too a trouble. To run on the Internet, to search someone's  on the Internet, full of bugs...

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> I the engineer also use Matlab for fast prototyping. If in these purposes language you use, libraries - almost unique that is important. You want to write one cube, instead of all . Here is how time therefore the Python also loses Matlab. Here is how time for scientific and engineering tasks I used programs of type Mathematica/Maple and to a lesser degree (he only numerical calculations is able) Matlab earlier. And recently passed to usage Pyhton in "scientific execution" (Jupyter Notepad as GUI and units matplotlib/numpy/scipy/sympy/pandas/scikit-learn). Certainly the choice ready "" for special cases here is less, but it is compensated by incomparable ease of a spelling of the "" in case of need.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> What for GPU? The sizes of my arrays not such big that it paid off. It is just necessary to make them much rather.  FFTW uses. Good . scipy - I do not know that, but slower. In a python basically too it is possible FFTW to fasten, fuck with a configuration  and to receive about the same high-speed performance, but what for? There here all so. To me not  and to go. It is fast , and it is necessary to write, understand a lot of the unnecessary code. Normal implementation (https://software.intel.com/en-us/distri … for-python) NumPy uses MKL that noticeably it is better FFTW. A> By the way,  like can in GPU and parallel calculations if  is. I did not try, it was not necessary. Hardly it is comparable with http://numba.pydata.org, and there there is a possibility not only calculations on GPU, but also simply effective (LLVM) compilations under CPU.

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Hello, alex_public, you wrote: _> Normal implementation (https://software.intel.com/en-us/distri … for-python) NumPy uses MKL that noticeably it is better FFTW. Some years did not look on a python in this sense. It can as changed _> Hardly comparable with http://numba.pydata.org, and there there is a possibility not only calculations on GPU, but also simply effective (LLVM) compilations under CPU. Anything I can not tell, I do not know neither about  nor about  possibility in this sense.

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Hello, alex_public, you wrote: _> Here is how time for scientific and engineering tasks I used programs of type Mathematica/Maple and to a lesser degree (he only numerical calculations is able) Matlab earlier. And recently passed to usage Pyhton in "scientific execution" (Jupyter Notepad as GUI and units matplotlib/numpy/scipy/sympy/pandas/scikit-learn). Certainly the choice ready "" for special cases here is less, but it is compensated by incomparable ease of a spelling of the "" in case of need. At  is  for character calculations, but I too used to Mapl and Maxim as CAS. To the mathematician - is not present for some reason. But at me it is rare. Unless sometimes it is necessary to consider and not to be mistaken what integral that to me regularly happens, if I do it on a piece of paper. On  too no problems with writing of own cubes arise. Notebooks of different colors seriously did not use. Became interested was Sage about 5 years ago, but understood that for me it too and somehow threw. And so yes, Jupiter nice - the executable live code + the text + updated schedules-pictures + formulas in one bottle.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> Pajton is a BASIC of 21st century. Very simple in mastering. Besides it also a Fortran of 21st century in the field of a science about the data. On it popular libraries for data handling are written, therefore scientists and researchers of the data use it is almost uncontested. It appears, it was necessary to cross only a BASIC to a Fortran to receive ideal language.