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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> Hello, Muxa, you wrote: M>> the Reality, I so understood, will not be? What with a python not so? S> Prison it. Any  in design. Often only hinders. Perl our all? No, no, not Perl. Bash?

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Hello, fmiracle, you wrote: F> Hello, neFormal, you wrote: F>> yes and is easier: there are no choice torments. F> by the way, on it at me learning of the Python is remembered and stopped two times. I think "it would be necessary to study, for the outlook extension", well give what to put, aha, a python 2. and a python 3.? So to study? Like 3 it is necessary, but write that 2  all live and till now it is used very actively, and thus they are various. I start to look, "so to take", and then "yes well " Through . Years I look again - the same. F> P.S. F> By the way what now to study it is necessary to be in a subject of the Python? It is that case when any choice would be better than any.

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Hello, uncommon, you wrote: U> Perl our all? No, no, not Perl. Bash? Pluses.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: N>> For FFT what difference from what language to use GPU implementation? A>...  FFTW uses. Good . scipy - I do not know that, but slower. In a python basically too it is possible FFTW to fasten, fuck with a configuration  and to receive about the same high-speed performance, but what for? You generally about what? sudo apt-get install python3-pyfftw or pip install pyFFTW or an anaconda in which it most likely in a box or MKL, cuFFT etc. A> There here all so. To me not  and to go. It is fast , and it is necessary to write, understand a lot of the unnecessary code. The subject of the unnecessary code is not uncovered. A> I am silent though about any support of arithmetics in finite fields . In  it not sugar but though is. https://pypi.org/project/fifi/3.0.0/A> With Fourier over finite fields in a python too a trouble. To run on the Internet, to search someone's  on the Internet, full of bugs... NTT I do not know, to probably unwinding and is not present.

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> You generally about what? N> sudo apt-get install python3-pyfftw N> or pip install pyFFTW N> or an anaconda in which it most likely in box N> or MKL, cuFFT etc. FFTW builds an optimal tree of calculations for your machine, data types and the sizes of arrays. Pitonovsky API pyFFTW gives you access to all this happiness and riches which you should pick up pens that the python considered  quickly. And it is desirable, to save all this FFTW wisdom between calls of the same conversions.  the python considers as quickly, as well as. Only is not present any API. There is one function invocation fft (). It is very convenient, if you do not want to understand that there, under a cowl. A>> there here all so. To me not  and to go. It is fast , and it is necessary to write, understand a lot of the unnecessary code. N> the subject of the unnecessary code is not uncovered. Look on communication toolbox, signal processing toolbox. Full implemented circuits of modulation, coding, synchronization. You need to write only the unit and to estimate its influence on quality of system operation. On a python you should write all it simply to learn, how your algorithm in system works. Synthesis of filters - Where the weighed least squares? Where calculation of filters for interpolation and decimation? There is no it in a python. Structures Farrou - give, good-bye. You want to learn as the analog path influences? Write model on a python. On  is ready . With synthesizer noise - the same history. About possibilities which are given  by me generally I am silent. No, all over, on the Python it is possible to do modeling of modems. But here only what for, if there is money on .

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> Look on communication toolbox, signal processing toolbox. Full implemented circuits of modulation, coding, synchronization. You need to write only the unit and to estimate its influence on quality of system operation. On a python you should write all it simply to learn, how your algorithm in system works. Synthesis of filters - Where the weighed least squares? Where calculation of filters for interpolation and decimation? There is no it in a python. Structures Farrou - give, good-bye. Here is: http://scikit-dsp-comm.readthedocs.io/e … alcom.html and https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy-1.1.0/ … ignal.html , in absolutely expected place - units for SciPy.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> , in absolutely expected place - units for SciPy. It is necessary with  to compare, and all becomes clear. Well is not present at the Python while competitive  in many data domains whoever that spoke.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: a C>> , in absolutely expected place - units for SciPy. A> it is necessary with  to compare, and all becomes clear. You can repeat it as a mantra, from it it does not change. A> well is not present at the Python while competitive  in many data domains whoever that spoke. Yes-yes. Therefore SciKit' are for all occasions already written. Matlaba have a qualitative support of molecular biology, for example? For example,   on a gene and it is beautiful to show possibility? In the Python it without problems - https://biopython.org/wiki/Documentation At Matlaba examples in the documentation generally ridiculous: https://www.mathworks.com/examples/bioi … e-analysis Moreover, on the Python at desire it is possible to make  in which the genetic data will be processed and be fed  (TensorFlow). Thus all will be easy to be launched on a cluster directly from Jypiter'.  tries to flutter in this side, but to the Python to it as to the Moon.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> you Can repeat it as a mantra, from it it does not change. All over, I can. A C> Yes-yes. Therefore SciKit' are for all occasions already written. Matlaba have a qualitative support of molecular biology, for example?> For example, possibility   on a gene and it is beautiful to show a C? In the Python it without problems - https://biopython.org/wiki/Documentation a C> At Matlaba examples in the documentation generally ridiculous: https://www.mathworks.com/examples/bioi … alysis> Moreover, on the Python at desire it is possible to make a C  in which the genetic data will be processed and be fed  (TensorFlow). Thus all will be easy to be launched on a cluster directly from Jypiter'.  tries to flutter in this side, but to the Python to it as to the Moon. I in bioscience do not drag the people from a python. You what for me on a python drag it. And that to me is not more visible, where my data domain is better supported. I that, on yours for  on  somewhere will spread only because they  on ?  such .

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> I in bioscience do not drag the people from a python. You what for me on a python drag it. And that to me is not more visible, where my data domain is better supported. I that, on yours for  on  somewhere will spread only because they  on ?  such . Well here I also speak, Matlab - a hand-made article for students. Something serious on it simply do not do.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: A>> I in bioscience do not drag the people from a python. You what for me on a python drag it. And that to me is not more visible, where my data domain is better supported. I that, on yours for  on  somewhere will spread only because they  on ?  such .> Well here I also tell a C, Matlab - a hand-made article for students. Something serious on it simply do not do. And tell, here this your modern biothat-in-python is it that such? It brings money how the pieces of iron calculated in , or it serves for  to a dust in eyes and burning of money of investors? If the second matter of course, the python where is more cheerful. It is possible to suffer a hogwash for another's money, the main thing -  to correspond .

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Hello, Glory, you wrote:>> Well here I also tell a C, Matlab - a hand-made article for students. Something serious on it simply do not do. And tell, here this your modern biothat-in-python is it that such? It brings money how the pieces of iron calculated in , or it serves for  to a dust in eyes and burning of money of investors? The modern medicines saw? Well type CAR-T of therapy of a cancer which stated not so long ago FDA. I personally saw them  - all on the Python.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: _>> Normal implementation (https://software.intel.com/en-us/distri … for-python) NumPy uses MKL that noticeably it is better FFTW. A> some years did not look on a python in this sense. A bit other situation, and rather old can as changed Not, there matter is not in changes, there. All essential calculations in the Python become in a C/C ++ units (type numpy, scipy, etc.) . And these units write naturally not from zero, with usage of in the lead C/Cs ++ (so in the lead and generally among all languages) mathematical libraries. And so the nuance that the fast (including for FFT) from these libraries (MKL from Intel) has not up to the end  the license and accordingly approaches not all. Thereof the standard assembly numpy is based not on MKL, and on another (ATLAS how much I remember), completely to the free library. However it at all does not hinder easy to download (free of charge and legally) the assembly numpy with MKL on appropriate sites (including a site most Intel', for which it as advertizing).

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Hello, novitk, you wrote:> This all words, and on the facts at other equal the program on a python will be faster written, it is easier in support and to work more bright. These characteristics of the Python are not always actual. For example, for academy (there where calculations as the tool are necessary, instead of in the computer-nedosajns) the main thing quickly to finish idea to numerical result to issue it and to stake out in steam-triple of articles, marking the territory, and fulfilling thus the conditional norm under publications. That thus the code  also does not give in to modification without involvement of the author, is minor. Here again more important presence of well debugged libraries, the ready integrated environment and language "a tjap-mistake - also is ready" (enough  with .. Sciences , but not on so much sad to look on alternatives with registration of other advantages), instead of  dial-up "make itself", with more "correct" . And if the idea has immediate commercial application, always it is possible to find the coder which rewrites it on more technological . Such always was and there will be a sea, on quintuple for , as they say.

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Hello, alex_public, you wrote:> And these units write naturally not from zero, with usage of in the lead C/Cs ++ (so in the lead and generally among all languages) Here or instead of "in the lead" to use "fashionable" more correctly, or to hold back about "generally all languages".

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Hello, student __, you wrote: the People permanently forget that some programs are written only that simply necessary numbers to receive eventually.

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Hello, student __, you wrote:> This all words, and on the facts at other equal the program on a python will be faster written, it is easier in support and to work more bright. __> these characteristics of the Python are not always actual. For example, for academy (there where calculations as the tool are necessary, instead of in the computer-nedosajns) the main thing quickly to finish idea to numerical result to issue it and to stake out in steam-triple of articles, marking the territory, and fulfilling thus the conditional norm under publications. Speed of obtaining of result actually not only for academy, but also for the industry. I as though do not urge to translate all to model unwinding; sm "at other equal" above. Certainly it is necessary to look on circumstances and presence of specialized libraries certainly powerful factor. But "specialized", instead of FFT, means for which in the Python a coach and the small cart.  it is necessary to creep anyway and it is simple enough, considering presence in Matlabe API for the Python.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> the People permanently forget that some programs are written only that simply necessary numbers to receive eventually. "People" forget nothing. I too write  on  only for obtaining of digits/checks of theories. Only I do it faster as I use the electric drill, instead of a wimble.

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Hello, alex_public, you wrote: _> Not, there matter is not in changes, there a bit other situation, and rather old. All essential calculations in the Python become in a C/C ++ units (type numpy, scipy, etc.) . And these units write naturally not from zero, with usage of in the lead C/Cs ++ (so in the lead and generally among all languages) mathematical libraries. And so the nuance that the fast (including for FFT) from these libraries (MKL from Intel) has not up to the end  the license and accordingly approaches not all. Thereof the standard assembly numpy is based not on MKL, and on another (ATLAS how much I remember), completely to the free library. However it at all does not hinder easy to download (free of charge and legally) the assembly numpy with MKL on appropriate sites (including a site most Intel', for which it as advertizing). In  with units approximately as. It also was created as a wrapper over  libraries. Into account BLAS in a python - numpy at the assembly on idea should  with blasom-lapakom accessible in your system. It is the best choice as at workstations it is often delivered optimized by the vendor lapak-blas. I know that the people both with OpenBLAS and with ATLAS . ATLAS will make sense only if you collect ATLAS was specific under the iron. Alternatives normally consider, if in system of the lapak-blas did not suppose. From FFT engines still ACML was. But, I think, the last years as serious alternative MKL is not considered.

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Hello, novitk, you wrote: N> "People" forget nothing. I too write  on  only for obtaining of digits/checks of theories. Only I do it faster as I use the electric drill, instead of a wimble. I as though tried both sorts of oysters and with your metaphor do not agree

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Hello, barn_czn, you wrote: _> For clearness - itself from camp.NET.  . It is not pleasant Python creators already aggressively advanced to it changeover-Golang. What will the HARDWARE tells about Golang? I suspect that it will be: "Go I do not know (as well as python, but I condemn)"

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: N>> "People" forget nothing. I too write  on  only for obtaining of digits/checks of theories. Only I do it faster as I use the electric drill, instead of a wimble. A> I as though tried both sorts of oysters and with your metaphor do not agree And I as though except these tried two and I continue, sometimes against the will, to try still heels - scala, kdb/q, excel, maple + still pair of the closed languages. I in general repeat simple thought: if the specific code the specific code is necessary to you is necessary to you, let it will be even on , to quality of an ecosystem it is the relation has no. Probably at the moment in the field of DSP libraries of a python lag behind Matlaba but while you resulted exactly one example - NTT. Thus of implementations for it there is a heap, both on a pure Python, and on pluses, but in its box like really is not present.