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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: CC>> HTML it at all a programming language, as well as CSS c SQL. NANOSECOND> For a long time SQL a programming language ceased to be? It it never also was not. It is language of requests to a DB (instead of ) which initially invented that bookkeeper could climb in a DB.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> the Main thing - that serious offices Serious it is indispensable with  is connected? G> if will use generally available clouds, only for what  nonsense. It is possible and not absolutely generally available. MTS tore the cloud on the basis of Azure Stack - quite kosher place under FSB control. G> anybody in the Boeing calculation of fighters fighting being to do in senses on a basis azure/amazona it will not be exact. As well designing - workplaces and those computing loadings that they generate - nobody will carry out in out of the enterprises. https://www.networkworld.com/article/21 … cloud.html

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Hello, the Philosopher, you wrote: It it never also was not. Why? It is language of requests to a DB (instead of ) the Programming language of requests to a DB. Which initially invented that bookkeeper could climb in a DB. Not very well. Important that it with the advent of CTE  full also contains quite developed programming aids even without procedural extensions.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> Serious it is indispensable with  is connected? These are what have commercial secrets. Well and it is natural, first of all large business all. NANOSECOND> It is possible and not absolutely generally available. MTS tore the cloud on the basis of Azure Stack - quite kosher place under FSB control. So they do it on the basis of own . And then, they use this cloud as the provider of cloudy services - i.e. own business in it do not push, and offer "cloudy services" to all interested persons. Correctly, for not little fools.> https://www.networkworld.com/article/21 … cloud.html well I also write NANOSECOND, for nonsense different - yes, can and use. For serious affairs - will not be.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> Why? Because it is language of requests to a DB. NANOSECOND> the Programming language of requests to a DB.  the similar: language of requests does not assume programming. You, when ask something a DB of type "give me those elements which here possess such properties" you you you do not program (you generally concept you have no as it will be executed), simply you ask the data. Too most with an insertion, update and removal. Anybody does not write the program on SQL - only small  for  and insertions of the data. As without a DB it is not meaningful. NANOSECOND> it is unimportant. Important that it with the advent of CTE  full also contains quite developed programming aids even without procedural extensions.  - too (de jure) , but de facto it is not. And too tjuring-full that is characteristic.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> When there is no arguments, we pass on a bet about terms? I grazed. G> in general,  on terms, it is particulars. G> the main thing - that serious offices if will use generally available clouds (as "a web" example), only for what  nonsense. A little very much Big banks use AWS for calculation of the price of options and their risks. One Very large Insurance Company uses AWS to enumerate risks for each house in the USA every day. Disney and other studios use AWS for rendering of films in mega-large scale. I will be in titles of several new films, as a result. Moreover, for absolutely the important data at AWS is GovCloud to the USA and "confidential" regions for CIA which generally are separated from the public Internet. G> anybody in the Boeing calculation of fighters fighting being to do in senses on a basis azure/amazona it will not be exact. As well designing - workplaces and those computing loadings that they generate - nobody will carry out in out of the enterprises. LOL. Right now I sit on meeting where we consider the plan of start of plug-ins for Several Very large CAD' for the transparent operation through a cloud. As the majority of workstations are not comparable on capacity with  nodes AWS (at which now 4 terabytes RAM and 256 CPU).

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> Serious it is indispensable with  is connected? G> it is what have commercial secrets. Enough normal enciphering G> Well and it is natural to them, first of all large business all. Well esteem  clients salesforce to begin with. NANOSECOND>> It is possible and not absolutely generally available. MTS tore the cloud on the basis of Azure Stack - quite kosher place under FSB control. G> so they do it on the basis of own . Yes. In it and an essence. G> and then, they use this cloud as the provider of cloudy services - i.e. own business in it do not push, and offer "cloudy services" to all interested persons. And? I unless wrote another?>> https://www.networkworld.com/article/21 … cloud.html G> well I also write NANOSECOND, for nonsense different - yes, can and use. For serious affairs - will not be.  nonsense.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: the C> Moreover, for absolutely the important data at AWS is GovCloud in the USA At Azhura too.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: Cs> a little very much Big banks use AWS for calculation of the price of options and their risks. One Very large Insurance Company uses AWS to enumerate risks for each house in the USA every day. It it is not so direct and the classified information.> Disney and other studios use a C AWS for rendering of films in mega-large scale. I will be in titles of several new films, as a result. Rendering too a hogwash. The C> Moreover, for absolutely the important data at AWS is GovCloud to the USA and "confidential" regions for CIA which generally are separated from the public Internet. Well it consider  the project. G>> anybody in the Boeing calculation of fighters fighting being to do in senses on a basis azure/amazona it will not be exact. As well designing - workplaces and those computing loadings that they generate - nobody will carry out in out of the enterprises. A C> LOL. Right now I sit on meeting where we consider the plan of start of plug-ins for Several Very large CAD' for the transparent operation through a cloud. As the majority of workstations are not comparable on capacity with  nodes AWS (at which now 4 terabytes RAM and 256 CPU). 1) if clouds exterior - silly idea. On extreme in a measure in  anybody out of a network will not consider that or though how many that important. And the best case there will be at you in clients small businessmen yes academy, i.e. those at which money are not present. 2) CAD 4 Terabytes are not necessary, and precisely 256 pu it is not necessary. To them and 16 cpu are not necessary. Storage is not necessary because such sizes of the assembly nobody twists, processors are not necessary because  are not scaled. It and that 8 processors hardly hardly to use. CAD fast kernels, it yes are necessary. Enough 6 kernels actually. And 64  storages. SW, NX, Creo. At the best that you can organize by such machines is what  there the virtual access to ten another , to deliver   , and there will be a such mainframe in which developers can walk far off from thin clients. But on my practice - such decisions strongly lose on productivity to a normal desktop, demand excessive support. Well and all it will need to be put in the enterprise, about generally available clouds it is necessary to close. CAE, CFD are scaled better, but too it is not always ideal. Our customers try to launch by such machines many parallel different tasks (or some variants of the same task), instead of to scale same. And besides - any exterior software, any access to an Internet.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> it it is not so direct and the classified information. The financial information on transactions and residuals not so directly and confidential? The C>> Moreover, for absolutely the important data at AWS is GovCloud to the USA and "confidential" regions for CIA which generally are separated from the public Internet. G> well it consider  the project. And? The offices enumerated by you at first in the core the state. G> 1) if clouds exterior - silly idea. On extreme in a measure in  anybody out of a network will not consider that or though how many that important. Already consider.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECONDS> Already consider. Who?

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: NANOSECONDS>> Already consider. G> who? It is a trade secret which I have not the right to share. Which what company from . Yes you article that about the Boeing esteem completely, there the safety subject is affected.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: Cs>> a little very much Big banks use AWS for calculation of the price of options and their risks. One Very large Insurance Company uses AWS to enumerate risks for each house in the USA every day. G> it it is not so direct and the classified information. . The financial information of the largest banks - trifles. Still I can remember the medical companies at which responsibility for leak given - $50000 for violation (https://aws.amazon.com/ru/compliance/hipaa-compliance/) and Amazon is incurred by this risk. At Azhura it is similar.>> Disney and other studios use a C AWS for rendering of films in mega-large scale. I will be in titles of several new films, as a result. G> rendering too a hogwash. The market in 20 billion a year, nonsense what. The C>> Moreover, for absolutely the important data at AWS is GovCloud to the USA and "confidential" regions for CIA which generally are separated from the public Internet. G> well it consider  the project. That is? GovCloud it is accessible on a commercial basis, and has the same API, as public regions. All difference that the state is the greatest buyer.  even it is certificated to level "confidentially" is a maximum which can be received without creation completely air-gapped networks. A C>> LOL. Right now I sit on meeting where we consider the plan of start of plug-ins for Several Very large CAD' for the transparent operation through a cloud. As the majority of workstations are not comparable on capacity with  nodes AWS (at which now 4 terabytes RAM and 256 CPU). G> 1) if clouds exterior - silly idea. On extreme in a measure in  anybody out of a network will not consider that or though how many that important. And the best case there will be at you in clients small businessmen yes academy, i.e. those at which money are not present. In the Russian Federation generally all on money . To the large companies from the budget  it is so much grandmas, how many it is necessary. In the USA prefer to count money. To me the facts of leak of the data from AWS are unknown, and knowing internal security measures, I am not surprised by it absolutely not. G> 2) CAD 4 Terabytes are not necessary, and precisely 256 pu it is not necessary. To them and 16 cpu are not necessary. Storage is not necessary because such sizes of the assembly nobody twists, processors are not necessary because  are not scaled. It and that 8 processors hardly hardly to use. Here it is not necessary to say that you do not know. For MelkojKontorki (tm) it can be and so, but difficult projects demand such capacity for comfortable operation, especially for possibility of start of complex analyses directly on the fly. Still from interesting - such  are used for SAP HANA but which some Very large Companies launch the SAP.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: once again. All these renderings, all these calculations of financial statistics and risks (which clouds  without a binding to id to users miscalculate) is all trifles. , heavy manufacture, at them special requirements to privacy. A C> In the Russian Federation generally all on money . To the large companies from the budget  it is so much grandmas, how many it is necessary. No. Simply anybody on the side will not give confidential development and models, that there did not guarantee. Cs> In the USA prefer to count money. To me the facts of leak of the data from AWS are unknown, and knowing internal security measures, I am not surprised by it absolutely not. At level of banks - can and descends. And at level of the big bomb - the principal approach to measures  - any calculations out of the internal closed network.> Here it is not necessary to say a C that you do not know. For MelkojKontorki (tm) it can be and so, but difficult projects demand such capacity for comfortable operation, especially for possibility of start of complex analyses directly on the fly. Perfectly I know all, I in it since 2003 am twisted. You   write it. The analysis is not , it , . Certainly, some elements cae happen and in , the same floefd, or flow simulation for SW, but it at all . And besides, I of any office did not see in the Russian Federation which would dare  to consider on oversea clouds. Only an internal network, only internal a cluster. Happens sometimes what  a tornado use, but it extremely rarely and not to tell that on very confidential things.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> once again. All these renderings, all these calculations of financial statistics and risks (which clouds  without a binding to id to users miscalculate) is all trifles. , heavy manufacture, at them special requirements to privacy. What "special requirements"? Circuits of fighters are classified as "secret" in the USA. It means that they can be processed on Azure. A C>> In the Russian Federation generally all on money . To the large companies from the budget  it is so much grandmas, how many it is necessary. G> is not present. Simply anybody on the side will not give confidential development and models, that there did not guarantee. Yes well? In Russia - can be, as legal nihilism and an indifference at all. Cs>> In the USA prefer to count money. To me the facts of leak of the data from AWS are unknown, and knowing internal security measures, I am not surprised by it absolutely not. G> at level of banks - can and descends. And at level of the big bomb - the principal approach to measures  - any calculations out of the internal closed network. If it is a question of the Big Bomb the Russian military men generally consider on it . If it is a question about American Amazon has special regions for CIA which are completely separated from the public Internet. But thus there inside all of them the same services, with the same API. There even billing is for applications - it is possible to make paid AMI with any program, and at its usage from CIA money will come.>> Here it is not necessary to say a C that you do not know. For MelkojKontorki (tm) it can be and so, but difficult projects demand such capacity for comfortable operation, especially for possibility of start of complex analyses directly on the fly. G> I am fine all I know, I in it since 2003 am twisted. You   write it. The analysis is not , it , . It CAD if it is necessary to look at once as design of conducts. And as data volumes can be inhuman easier to launch it by the same machine. G> it is finite, some elements cae happen and in , the same floefd, or flow simulation for SW, but it at all . And besides, I of any office did not see in the Russian Federation which would dare  to consider on oversea clouds. Well so see about Russia above.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: the Cloud separated from the Internet, under complete control of special services is a special talk. As a whole, I think and at us sooner or later create "a cluster  " which will be on a network separated from the Internet to give services to serious offices. But besides, these services - restricted,  everyones there,  processors and  - there  did not surrender. On full there business to carry out - strongly to risk. The C> If is a question of the Big Bomb the Russian military men generally consider on it . A quotient , also I think dudes sat down.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> I am fine all I know, I in it since 2003 am twisted. You   write it. The analysis is not , it , . Again decided to switch on a bet about terms? What in a context of dispute a difference, CAD or CAE? Or CAE it is insufficiently serious in yours ? And, it, CFD now it, as a rule, the most confidential part of many military projects.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: G>> it is finite, some elements cae happen and in , the same floefd, or flow simulation for SW, but it at all . And besides, I of any office did not see in the Russian Federation which would dare  to consider on oversea clouds. The C> Well so see about Russia above. Yes in Russia too not how it paints all. Most  that the people, making decisions, just  in the core concerning clouds do not test any problems because money is able to count and to be covered with certificates. And here programmers are able to consider the phobias only.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G>> I am fine all I know, I in it since 2003 am twisted. You   write it. The analysis is not , it , . NANOSECOND> Again decided to switch on a bet about terms? What in a context of dispute a difference, CAD or CAE? Or CAE it is insufficiently serious in yours ? And, it, CFD now it, as a rule, the most confidential part of many military projects. The big difference. Because CAD  on the machine with  200 cpu - the sense is not present. CAE and CFD - is, there with scaling it is better. But - only in a part , instead of in a part a pre-post of processors which besides are not ground under hundreds CPU.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> the big difference. Because CAD  on the machine with  200 cpu - the sense is not present. CAE and CFD - is, there with scaling it is better. But - only in a part , instead of in a part a pre-post of processors which besides are not ground under hundreds CPU. You really such or only pretend to be? The question is not clear? Terminology, and expediency of usage of clouds in  and heavy manufactures is considered not.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> You really such or only pretend to be? The question is not clear? Terminology, and expediency of usage of clouds in  and heavy manufactures is considered not. I with the person considered was specific its task, and here your questions? The expediency is carrying out of calculations of small privacy where risks of losses are small. But at the normal enterprises service  the such turns.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> You really such or only pretend to be? The question is not clear? Terminology, and expediency of usage of clouds in  and heavy manufactures is considered not. G> I with the person considered was specific its task, and here your questions? The person answered you on a subject of clouds, and you once again, without finding out arguments decided to translate dispute to terms. All began with it: the Main thing - that serious offices if will use generally available clouds (as "a web" example), only for what  nonsense. All industrial chain - as was 10 years ago in a local network on  a software, and remains. Anybody in the Boeing calculation of fighters fighting being to do in senses on a basis azure/amazona it will not be exact. G> the expediency is carrying out of calculations of small privacy where risks of losses are small. But at the normal enterprises service  the such turns. You article about the Boeing nevertheless read.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote:> Yes in Russia too not all how it paints NANOSECOND. Most  that the people, making decisions, just  in the core concerning clouds do not test any problems because money is able to count and to be covered with certificates. And here programmers are able to consider the phobias only. Listen, for leak can and plant. You to take ready such responsibility on yourself? The enterprise security police - precisely is not ready. And it - is normal.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> You article about the Boeing nevertheless read. Read. Are played with clouds frivolous statistical calculations. As I also write, serious, confidential things, development of engines/rockets/planes - even especially and do not think to transfer to another's clouds. And it is correct, and I think, as well as at us, at them networks of developers even in the Internet have no physical link.