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Topic: Tell, please, about Granular

"Granular has re-implemented.NET's Windows Presentation Foundation on JavaScript."

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Hello, Ejnstok Fajr, you wrote: > "Granular has re-implemented.NET's Windows Presentation Foundation on JavaScript." They it is serious?... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: >> "Granular has re-implemented.NET's Windows Presentation Foundation on JavaScript." _R _> They it is serious? Well if Vaadin' it is possible, why MS it is impossible?

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> They it is serious? And what not so? Probably, CSS it was possible to cut out more optimally, it agree. But idea - that that is necessary. Such "jQuery for desktops-developers". It is remembered, for Delphi there was a similar library on sense, IntraWeb http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudi … aWeb_Index

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Hello, Mr. Delphist, you wrote: MD> And what not so? Probably, CSS it was possible to cut out more optimally, it agree. And here it and not so. Good (your way) idea with such technical implementation, it so or not? MD> But idea - that that is necessary. Such "jQuery for desktops-developers". And I and with idea do not agree. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, there is no need to drag in a web  habits. Well here is not present in web WYSYWYG' for the developer. Simply there is no also all.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> And I and with idea do not agree. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, there is no need to drag in a web  habits. Well here is not present in web WYSYWYG' for the developer. Simply there is no also all. Because the fascist with a stick is not present. And it would be necessary.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: Well if Vaadin' it is possible, why MS it is impossible? And the MSEC here at what? I found such chain Granular-> Bridge.NET-> Object.NET. http://object.net/#about [...] Our ASP.NET component framework, Ext.NET [...]... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> And I and with idea do not agree. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, there is no need to drag in a web  habits. Well here is not present in web WYSYWYG' for the developer. Simply there is no also all. Well Xamarin. Forms at all for a desktop. XAML it is much more convenient for many. https://github.com/Microsoft/xaml-standard https://github.com/xamarin/Xamarin.Form … re-Roadmap

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_R _>> And I and with idea do not agree. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, there is no need to drag in a web  habits. Well here is not present in web WYSYWYG' for the developer. Simply there is no also all.> Because the fascist with a stick is not present. And it would be necessary. It (editor) was, and at all enthusiasm time in their occasion was a little, contempt was much well and here somehow ran low wysywyg-redaktorpisateli there were rather free variants of type wix (not to confuse to the installer) or deeply provisionable subjects for wordpress

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> it (the editor) was, and at all time K> enthusiasm in their occasion was a little, contempt was much K> well and here somehow ran low wysywyg-redaktorpisateli K> there were rather free variants of type wix (not to confuse to the installer) or deeply provisionable subjects for wordpress Because not the editor, and the optimizing compiler there is necessary. Meanwhile, people capable to write compilers, for some reason it is normal in a coffin saw all web, and the most comprehensible type of a web for them normally was and remains http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ Also, creators of browsers are torn forward, further, above, faster. Who it of bricks on road . The Eurocommission of vendors of phones bent, forcing them not  with chargings, and to use USB. I hope and to  queue reaches. Let in something the friend , instead of in tjuring-full CSS.

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Also, creators of browsers are torn forward, further, above, faster. Who it of bricks on road . The Eurocommission of vendors of phones bent, forcing them not  with chargings, and to use USB. I hope and to  queue reaches. Let in something the friend , instead of in tjuring-full CSS. Well is not present - let make an effort, while simple things do not earn without js

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> And here it and not so. Good (your way) idea with such technical implementation, it so or not? I saw too many good ideas with the extremely mean technical implementation, and as much the bad ideas with the extremely brilliant technical implementation. Orthogonally it each other, classical 22 a quadrant. _R _> and I and with idea do not agree. Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, there is no need to drag in a web  habits. Well here is not present in web WYSYWYG' for the developer. Simply there is no also all. ... Well we do not program in terms of registers CPU. Though tell it to a clod in the beginning of a computer era - would expel from a machine hall and nicknamed the blonde. And with  they be to think it is necessary in imposition and business logic terms, and we persistently continue to build small houses of tags and scripts...

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Hello, Mr. Delphist, you wrote: MD> I saw too many good ideas with the extremely mean technical implementation, and as much the bad ideas with the extremely brilliant technical implementation. Orthogonally it each other, classical 22 a quadrant. So it also is the answer to your question "What not so". Not so - mean technical implementation. MD> Hm... Well we do not program in terms of registers CPU. Though tell it to a clod in the beginning of a computer era - would expel from a machine hall and nicknamed the blonde. We explain modern JavaScript to a dinosaur What it to learn JavaScript in 2016 - such dialogue at the beginning of a web was from area of bad fantasy MD> And with  they be to think it is necessary in imposition and business logic terms, and we persistently continue to build small houses of tags and scripts... It is possible to Think in any terms, but the small house from tags and scripts as a result turns out. Speech that about quality of this small house.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> So it also is the answer to your question "What not so". Not so - mean technical implementation. Well, other example: Electron - the extremely mean technical implementation (guzzles the resources, cut off API - pure delirium for the programmer-nativshchika). Nevertheless, on it applications of industrial level are created. _R _> it is possible to think in any terms, but the small house from tags and scripts as a result turns out. Speech that about quality of this small house. And I speak about toolkit for creation. And quality of "an internal small house" can be tightened rather strongly - after all not casually present compilers of high-level languages create the code, noticeably more perfect, than that people write that on Assembler hands.

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MD> quality of "an internal small house" can be tightened rather strongly I looked " a demo" Granular, it at me it brakes. Whether it is tightened quality, or simply it is not necessary to be guided by this technology? Supports its community or it remains a side deadlock direction?

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Hello, Ejnstok Fajr, you wrote: MD>> quality of "an internal small house" can be tightened rather strongly > I looked " a demo" Granular, it at me it brakes. Whether it is tightened quality, or simply it is not necessary to be guided by this technology? Supports its community or it remains a side deadlock direction? It only a question to authors of library. We tell, I on Xamarin and a penny did not deliver - nevertheless, it now actively advance also plans for development - a coach.

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Hello, Mr. Delphist, you wrote: MD> Well, other example: Electron - the extremely mean technical implementation (guzzles the resources, cut off API - pure delirium for the programmer-nativshchika). Nevertheless, on it applications of industrial level are created. The example with an electron does not cancel that with Granular something not so. The success of an electron speaks nothing about perspectives . MD> And I speak about toolkit for creation. And I about it also answer you - not important, what tool, it is important that comes to the browser. MD> and quality of "an internal small house" it is possible to tighten rather strongly - after all not casually present compilers of high-level languages create the code, noticeably more perfect, than that people write that on Assembler hands." It is impossible to automate chaos "as speak 1S-niki. In disorder of a web the knowledge of typical scenarios,  is required to the tool, compatibility with browsers, whether it is possible to solve only css or it is necessary to attract js. And horror that the user of this tool too should know about it. So  again in run. Well and the main thing. We admit there was a designer html+css, but level of the designer xaml in visual studio (wysiwyg, a mouse, components). You know that will be? Will write manually, and the window of the designer will be opened only for the sake of live preview - so there is a development on xaml (that funny Granular took xaml). And you know, what is? In tools html+css already is live preview, and it is enough of it.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> Well and the main thing. We admit there was a designer html+css, but level of the designer xaml in visual studio (wysiwyg, a mouse, components). You know that will be? Will write manually, and the window of the designer will be opened only for the sake of live preview - so there is a development on xaml (that funny Granular took xaml). And you know, what is? In tools html+css already is live preview, and it is enough of it. Moreover, I so write in XAML Only business not in  and not in that who as writes, and in at whom a bag of money. Why Electron in a favor? Here come to the boss and speak: it is necessary to draw , we plan  a desktop, budgets estimated - here. The boss such answers "at us a row of important clients on Linux, it is necessary that for them too worked, but money for two platforms I will not give". Where to the peasant to move? An electron, where still. And with Granular will be: Tell to the boss that there is a method rather without serious consequences to drag the XAML-appendix in a web - yes it with pleasure on it it will be moved and to spit to it on internal ugliness  CSS. Welcome to board Enterprise.

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Hello, Mr. Delphist, you wrote: MD> Moreover, I so write in XAML I to you I will tell - all more so on xaml' write. MD> only not in  and not in that who as writes business, and in at whom a bag of money. Smoothly we pass from a subject "idea and its technical implementation" to problems of custom development? Well apprx. MD> Why Electron in a favor? Because warm and lamp. And warm and lamp it because of   . Unless it is not obvious, what it is that Granular, but with a reverse sign? Electron is  on a desktop (well and a share , where without it) and anything more. For a cross connect-platform is from what to select. But js and its infrastructure only at the Electron - in it its killer a feature. Unique. And at them it turned out, though they went not to it electron/README.md <b> Apr 12, 2013 </b> (the first   an electron on ): Atom Shell Experimental native layer for the Atom. But I will repeat that it is not necessary to compare Electron and Granular. It is possible to launch locally a trimmed web the server, it is possible to cause locally the compiler js, it is possible  there access to the equipment and to receive as a result of Electron. But with a desktop so it does not turn out, there all on another from rendering before state storage. MD> here come to the boss and speak: it is necessary to draw , we plan  a desktop, budgets estimated - here. The boss such answers "at us a row of important clients on Linux, it is necessary that for them too worked, but money for two platforms I will not give". Where to the peasant to move? On courses Qt. MD> the Electron, where still. On courses JS. MD> And with Granular will be: tell to the boss that there is a method rather without serious consequences to drag the XAML-appendix in a web - yes it with pleasure on it it will be moved and to spit to it on internal ugliness  CSS. Rather without serious consequences? Well let drag, on half of way overstrain, so a site in an Internet does not reach. MD> welcome to board Enterprise.... The profit world... . <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>