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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: A>> For setting of tasks. S> who you told that AI with it does not consult independently and from what he would listen to us? Well and somehow control nuclear physicists with high IQ

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: xma>> because derived stores on the Earth come to an end. P> Stores of what exactly come to an end? Only. Go go dig out copper ore a shovel. Or catch fish on a scaffold with a nail.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: xma>>> 3) automation and robotizings (from third to) half working (in the developed countries), in 15-20 years M>> So-called automation in practice appears an operation rearrangement on the client. M>> the automated cash registers in shops? The buyer executes operation of the seller, but for some reason received advantage is put in a pocket by the master of shop. A C> Brad any. The self-service cash register allows to quit shop much faster as they can be delivered strongly more than sellers. Similarly with cash dispenses and the airports. But you did not refute my message that so-called automation - an essence an operation rearrangement on the client.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A> Hello, mizuchi, you wrote: M>> if  bodies it was necessary, it is put at once in person A> to Whom it would be necessary? I will surprise you - both the nature, and the person. M>> both will exist. Also no computers and AI are necessary to it. M>> the Universe knows better you. Also knows it is so much, how many you never learn. A> and at it brains are? Where, in what galaxy? From what you took, what brains are necessary to it? You were born thanks to the nature. Which without brains, if that.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Well and somehow They control nuclear physicists with high IQ people - in the majority of knowledge domains they as children. And AI will be perfect in all knowledge domains.

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Hello, xma, you wrote: xma> mineral resources - including metals/ores etc. do not come to an end. Them much, the earth crust composition see. And to extract something on an asteroid it is necessary to expend resources more than you will receive from this doubtful action. Here if completely all fabrication cycle out of the Earth to organize, but it any more care of resources, idea absolutely from other period of futurology, and finished articles will be all the same senseless for bringing to the Earth.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Only. Go go dig out copper ore a shovel. Or catch fish on a scaffold with a nail. To dig out copper ore a shovel easier and to catch fish on a scaffold with a nail on an asteroid, and here, to the Earth to bring

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: a C>> Brad any. The self-service cash register allows to quit shop much faster as they can be delivered strongly more than sellers. Similarly with cash dispenses and the airports. M> but you did not refute my message that so-called automation - an essence an operation rearrangement on the client. Where shift? I do not consider itself on the calculator the total. Yes, the most advanced technology of automation allows to do now generally nothing - simply to take the goods from a shelf and to quit with it shop: https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16008589011

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: a C>>> Tri-Alpha Energy . Basically, whether next year probably it will be is final clear on their technology - under plans to reach sufficient parameters for dejterij-tritievogo synthesis. _>> already  time showed that always slightly something does not suffice. _>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvYmchl4ZGM a C> I there the investor so reports I see. With each iteration they increase parameters of machines that is confirmed by the independent third party. The following generation already will be capable to set fire dejterij-tritievuju to plasma though the design of the machine not so approaches for such usage. In reports there is a helium amount received in  synthesis? The C> After that remains the last step - a proton-boric synthesis. Aha  an output on 6 orders. The C>>> At the quantum computer is some applications with which it is impossible to replace with anything else. In particular, simulation of other quantum systems, such as simulation of structure of fibers or search of catalysts. _>> while they successfully solve only one task - engaging of investments. To any another it is not shown. The C> this year will be demonstration quantum supremacy. If to increase number  to 200 (in 3 times from planned 70-kubitnogo the computer) it already will be enough for exact simulation of an addition of many fibers. How many at D-Wave , the superiority showed?

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Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: _> How many at D-Wave , the superiority showed? There "quantum annealing" - approaches only for specific tasks i.e. it not the present quantum computer, unlike they be which develop Google etc.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Only. Go go dig out copper ore a shovel. Or catch fish on a scaffold with a nail. Iron ore in the same Australia to dig as a matter of fact still even did not begin, yes already and stopped. With closing of mines and factories. Very big share of a steel is processed from . Copper, under some reports which I read, places almost for 80 percent - from rallying points .

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> That is from revolutionary and possible for implementation (even periods name)? Here that was recalled: S> 1. Controlled thermonuclear synthesis. S> 2. Artificial intelligence / artificial consciousness. S> 3. The quantum computer. S> 4. A victory over a cancer. S> 5. Immortality/prolongation of life in times. S> 6. The Colony/settlement on the Moon/marse. S> that else? The stored scientific potential so is great that anything new especially and it is not necessary. The main thing the task is education of the Soviet person, Bolsheviks with it did not consult: Medvedev, Putin, Malakhov, Kirkorov any pederasts-reference points and other crowd precisely are not and were not caused to be hope of mankind.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> Yes, the most advanced technology of automation allows to do now generally nothing - simply to take the goods from a shelf and to quit with it shop: https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16008589011 it is very convenient. To the owner of shop. But at all because of saving on cashiers, and at all because of saving. The buyer loses orientation in the purchase total, it that is necessary!

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Hello, Salih, you wrote: S> the stored scientific potential so is great that anything new especially and it is not necessary. How it is not necessary, even if the nature  is not clear and whether it is clearly saved after death of a brain?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> They people - in the majority of knowledge domains they as children. And AI will be perfect in all knowledge domains. AI will not have a motivation except that which people give to it. The motivation in itself is inherited by us from animal instincts, and at AI of such inheritance will not be on determination. Even "a self-preservation instinct". It simply will have no place to undertake.

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Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: a C>> I there the investor so reports I see. With each iteration they increase parameters of machines that is confirmed by the independent third party. The following generation already will be capable to set fire dejterij-tritievuju to plasma though the design of the machine not so approaches for such usage. _> in reports there is a helium amount received in  synthesis? No as launch on protonew and  to plasma. Start on tritium will demand on 2 orders of more complexities because of operation with radioactive materials. In reports there is a reached temperature, pressure and time of holding of plasma. The C>> After that remains the last step - a proton-boric synthesis. _> aha  an output on 6 orders. On 1 order, about 8 times in comparison with D-T. The C>> this year will be demonstration quantum supremacy. If to increase number  to 200 (in 3 times from planned 70-kubitnogo the computer) it already will be enough for exact simulation of an addition of many fibers. _> how many at D-Wave , the superiority showed? D-Wave is not the quantum computer of general purpose.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A> AI will not have a motivation except that which people give to it. A> the motivation in itself is inherited by us from animal instincts, and at AI of such inheritance will not be on determination. A> even "a self-preservation instinct". It simply will have no place to undertake. You cannot know it. Probably AI is not feasible without  which already in itself are motivation. The person draws a pattern only because perfectly - anything from animals he did not inherit it.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: the C> Is not present, as launch on protonew and  to plasma. Start on tritium will demand on 2 orders of more complexities because of operation with radioactive materials. The C> In reports is the reached temperature, pressure and time of holding of plasma. If there is a synthesis response there should be a helium. How many helium is registered? The C>>> After that remains the last step - a proton-boric synthesis. _>> aha  an output on 6 orders. A C> On 1 order, about 8 times in comparison with D-T. The best index at JET (energy output) / (it is brought energies) =6e-6 a C>>> this year will be demonstration quantum supremacy. If to increase number  to 200 (in 3 times from planned 70-kubitnogo the computer) it already will be enough for exact simulation of an addition of many fibers. _>> how many at D-Wave , the superiority showed? The C> D-Wave is not the quantum computer of general purpose. Also that he urged to solve optimization specific targets. Search of a state with minimum energy. It already finds the decision faster or is easier classical methods.

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Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: the C>> In reports is the reached temperature, pressure and time of holding of plasma. _> if there is a synthesis response there should be a helium. How many helium is registered? Current machines do not reach the necessary temperatures for self-supported synthesis. Therefore them launch with certainly nonflammable protonew plasma, and measure its parameters (pressure, temperature etc.) and as test methods of operation with it (suppression of instabilities, heating neutral rays, etc.) . As a result, each following machine works better the previous. As a result plasma parameters finish to such levels that they will be sufficient for  at first dejterij-tritievoj plasmas, and then and a proton-boric. And you thought, what the thermonuclear reactor becomes in a single step? The C>>>> After that remains the last step - a proton-boric synthesis. _>>> aha  an output on 6 orders. A C>> On 1 order, about 8 times in comparison with D-T. _> the best index at JET (energy output) / (it is brought energies) =6e-6 Generally, at JET was q=0.67 in 1997 year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_en … _breakeven the C>> D-Wave is not the quantum computer of general purpose. _> also that he urged to solve optimization specific targets. Search of a state with minimum energy. It already finds the decision faster or is easier classical methods. Yes, and now Google with IBM is done by quantum computers of general purpose. They already on a superiority threshold.

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Hello, Cyberax, you wrote: a C> Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: the C>>> In reports is the reached temperature, pressure and time of holding of plasma. _>> if there is a synthesis response there should be a helium. How many helium is registered? Cs> a C> Current machines do not reach the necessary temperatures for self-supported synthesis. Cs> Therefore launch them with certainly nonflammable protonew plasma, and measure its parameters (pressure, temperature etc.) and as test methods of operation with it (suppression of instabilities, heating neutral rays, etc.) . As a result, each following machine works better the previous. Cs> As a result finish plasma parameters to such levels that they will be sufficient for  at first dejterij-tritievoj plasmas, and then and a proton-boric. The C> And you thought, what the thermonuclear reactor becomes in a single step? There is no helium? Hurt, and what such q then? The C>>>>> After that remains the last step - a proton-boric synthesis. _>>>> aha  an output on 6 orders. A C>>> On 1 order, about 8 times in comparison with D-T. _>> the best index at JET (energy output) / (it is brought energies) =6e-6 the C> Generally, at JET was q=0.67 in 1997 year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_en … _breakeven As though efficiency entirely interesting. The C>>> D-Wave is not the quantum computer of general purpose. _>> also that he urged to solve optimization specific targets. Search of a state with minimum energy. It already finds the decision faster or is easier classical methods. Cs> Yes, and now Google with IBM do quantum computers of general purpose. They already on a superiority threshold. Also what will be after superiority show?

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Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: the C>> And you thought, what the thermonuclear reactor becomes in a single step? _> there is no helium? Hurt, and what such q then? No. Even on JET (though they just are now launched on D-T so will be). The majority of research tokamaks do not launch on plasma which can burn. It is banal that it is not necessary. The C>> Generally, at JET was q=0.67 in 1997 year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_en … _breakeven _> As though efficiency entirely interesting. It is not interesting yet. Tasks of current tokamaks - to research physics of plasma, instead of to receive energy. Cs>> Yes, and now Google with IBM do quantum computers of general purpose. They already on a superiority threshold. _> also what will be after superiority show? The superiority will show on the computer with 70 . If to increase number  all in 2 times there is possible an exact simulation of catalysts, materials and some biomolecules.

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Hello, Teolog, you wrote: T> Gene modification of people. The mankind promptly grows dull and if not to start to do artificially people more cleverly through pair generations level of technologies in "the first world" gives to level "3 worlds". Hopes of China with Japan are not present, at them the fundamental science simply is not present - a mentality singularity, Africans from a palm tree  could not, the South America - . The biological brain all the same concedes sooner or later to machine intelligence.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> you cannot know it. Probably AI is not feasible without  which already in itself are motivation. The person draws a pattern only because perfectly - anything from animals he did not inherit it. AI is already feasible without , while in narrow areas. The general-purpose AI probably also is necessary only for convenience to communicate with it as with the person. And from animals people have thirst of life, a self-preservation instinct. At AI of it will not be, and consequently that is no place - there is evolution and natural selection, and consequently that no purpose and the task absolutely others.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A> AI is already feasible without , while in narrow areas. The general-purpose AI probably also is necessary only for convenience to communicate with it as with the person. A> and from animals people have thirst of life, a self-preservation instinct. At AI of it will not be, and consequently that is no place - there is evolution and natural selection, and consequently that no purpose and the task absolutely others. Whence you took "Universalnj of AI"? Or a computer. Finds consciousness or is not present. Evolution is not mandatory. Consider that you - and there is an evolution, it not from zero arose and on the basis of your consciousness, only became more perfect.

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> Copper, under some reports which I read, places almost for 80 percent - from rallying points . It is necessary for copper much if we want to change on electromobiles