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Topic: HDD on the live

The Problem.
There is a disk on 2 Terrabytes one section, not the system. On it there is an information. Somewhere 400-500 MB.
The Task.
To create on a disk in addition 2 sections (only 3). The information there is no place to merge.

Additional condition.

On a disk there is a problem domain in the size 60-80 MB (on a boundary 400-500 MB). It is necessary to bypass it (to eliminate from operation)
The Question .
What program can use and what algorithm of operation? How to select a problem place (to eliminate from operation)?
Then on one of sections it will be put Windows.
P.S. I can not that section a question I set? Then excuse, but council is very necessary.
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And you enclosed already the blood rouble in Bill Gates's 50 milliard state?

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Acronis True Image?

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doos wrote:

Acronis True Image?

In sense Acronis Disk Director

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Joss wrote:

the Problem. there is a disk on 2 Terrabytes one section, not the system. On it there is an information. Somewhere 400-500 MB.
The Task. to create on a disk in addition 2 sections (only 3).

Trivial  - compressed existing section, released a place and created two new.
Though through , though through .

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Joss wrote:

On a disk there is a problem domain

Joss wrote:

the Information there is no place to merge

It is enough of it to tell that a well-known software the task with a sufficient warranty of safety of the data does not dare basically.

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Akina wrote:

it is enough of It to tell that a well-known software the task with a sufficient warranty of safety of the data does not dare basically.

I beg you - diskpart and  offset commands create partition solves this trivial  in the trivial image.
It even if to forget about "chkdsk/f/r".
P.S.
No, I in any way did not make comments on idea of usage of a "beaten" disk.

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Basil A. Sidorov wrote:

I in any way did not make comments on idea of usage of a "beaten" disk.

And here it is very vain. Before diskpart it is necessary to move bodies of files to the volume segment beginning. And if they suddenly, casually, get to problem domain... Is not present, all right, if the sector does not register, , verification fulfills, and even, can, drops a cluster in the beaten. But much nastier case is possible - the sector has feeble bytes that is why contents from it are read probability, i.e. there is a fair chance to spend the data. Also that the most vile - is not caught this error with absolute probability.

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Akina wrote:

it is passed...
it is passed...
It is enough of it to tell that a well-known software the task with a sufficient warranty of safety of the data does not dare basically.

Why so solved?
Joss
Take something of type Acronis Disk Director or Partition Magic
At  there is a possibility, after setting, to create a load variant though on a flash card.
We create it.
We are loaded from a flash card, we select better a variant with linux (on a jacket it does not influence in any way and all remaining for you).
We get to the graphic interface. There all in Russian and is clear.
1. We take area of the data, probably, they will be in the beginning, on their boundary we do disk splitting, we look where at you , we place them in not labeled area, i.e. the beginning of following section is done from boundary of the termination of beaten sectors.
Well also we create remaining sections. It is not forgotten, all them can be on one physical no more than 4.
The cluster size can be left by default, and it is possible and 4 to deliver. File system certainly HTFS.
That's all. It is possible and from under windows but, in this case possibly it is necessary to reboot and not the fact that fulfills correctly, the data most likely does not kill and here can and not make change.
Well and, certainly corrected disk should not be to carriers, i.e. on it there should not be OS and swaps, i.e. there should be a possibility of its switch-off therefore it is better to do it not from under windows.
As that so smile

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Joss wrote:

On it there is an information. Somewhere 400-500 MB.

Can ?
500 MB on any modern flash card or phone gets.

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stells2 wrote:

Why so solved?

From experience... More than twenty years'. Including and experience of observation over process  hair after essential information loss.
PS. To interrupt a disk, allocating sections strictly there where it is necessary, and bypassing torn sections are a hogwash, instead of the task. I once such and simple diskedit th did.

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stells2 wrote:

it is not forgotten, all them can be on one physical no more than 4.

Not absolutely so. It is primary sections on MBR-disks can be no more than four. But with usage of extended partitions or their GPT-marking can be as much as necessary (well or, at least, much more than four).

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Basil A. Sidorov wrote:

It even if to forget about "chkdsk/f/r".

And what, sowing a command already  is able to come really on marked clusters? Or how was always - politely them to bypass, taking a word?

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Akina wrote:

Before diskpart it is necessary to move bodies of files to the volume segment beginning. And if they suddenly, casually, get to problem domain...

differently they always are marked not  though, it is finite does not eliminate also real failure.
That that is marked not always troubles.
The marked areas are not used, even, if it simply label instead of real failure.
And whence generally the confidence that is a physical jamb?
It is not so clear to "move".
I can something I do not understand?
If the screw began to be strewed - it is a pity to throw out but it is necessary to understand that at any moment something can be lost. But, it provided that is real  instead of whose that a joke...

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stells2 wrote:

  differently they always are marked not

The author told "problem domain". You can define an essence of its "problematical character"? I - was not present. That is why I assume the worst - unstable reading plus absence of a mark that a cluster of bad.

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Akina wrote:

the Author told "problem domain". You can define an essence of its "problematical character"?

And I cannot, therefore began to doubt.
Let from the pure environment drags, breaks. There will be problems - all sees. There, on a course of appearance of new food and new questions smile

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Tools with GUI are given, all there is clear and evident. There will be an experience smile

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Akina wrote:

And here it is very vain. Before diskpart it is necessary to move bodies of files to the volume segment beginning.

"Yes from what you took?!" () / "Vasilisa Mikulishna".
It is necessary to move, if, suddenly , units which should be released will be occupied. That at all the fact.
Both  and  allow and to clarify " is exact to hang up" and simply do not fulfill operation of truncation of volume if the user requested .
Here I do not see any occasion about    only because "it basically is possible".
Even if the author was mistaken also the data on three orders is within a disk quarter more.
In the realistic scenario the existing section on these most ~600 is truncated, we create on a vacant place section, we copy there the data.
We kill more unnecessary section, we create new section on ~1 that with a store, we create two more sections of the necessary sizes and we kill "spacer" in the disk beginning.
All operations are done in , the problem domain is eliminated from splitting. It is lost less the than tenth percent from disk volume.
In  it is possible both to consider to set offsets and it is not necessary to create unnecessary section.
P.S.
I, besides, in any way do not consider qualification of the author: "it is not assured - do not overtake".
But, everything that is required, easy becomes regular toolkit at minimum straightness of hands.

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stells2 wrote:

And what, sowing a command already  is able to come really on marked clusters? Or how was always - politely them to bypass, taking a word?

you should reanimate marked or, , to find the problem?
If the second - yes, does. Without questions.
I, for example, removed from system one of disks "from a sin" as the number of the units, marked next pass of the security officer, steadily increased. Decided not to play a roulette.

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I will try to answer some remarks.
Yes, 400-500 Gig. Was mistaken.

Akina wrote:

PS. To interrupt a disk, allocating sections strictly there where it is necessary, and bypassing torn sections are a hogwash, instead of the task. I once such and simple diskedit th did.

I the same once diskeditom plaid about. But then was DOS, FAT16, and 120 MB on the screw.

Akina wrote:

the Author told "problem domain". You can define an essence of its "problematical character"? I - was not present. That is why I assume the worst - unstable reading plus absence of a mark that a cluster of bad.

Ran a disk Victoria. It accurately showed area with the big read time and a little  among them. All disk gray, and there Made green, orange and red sectors Remap. A part of sectors it was removed. But remaining will be strewed.
How much I understood, it is necessary to use Acronis Disk Director or Partition Magic.
Here two more programs Paragon Hard Disk Manager and AOMEI Partition Assistant prompted But I was somehow stuck in first two, and about last I only overheard something.
Someone can that that on them advises. What of them to select?

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Joss wrote:

Yes, 400-500 Gig. Was mistaken.
How much I understood, it is necessary to use Acronis Disk Director or Partition Magic.
What of them to select?

I think, Acronis Disk Director . Above described.
After setting to appear the utility of formation of the load device (for example, a flash card) with the program for operation with a disk. There all intuitively, in Russian, clearly.
Look, the image or a software which can creates boot drive Acronis Disk Director is separately.
500  it much, would be row a disk, it was possible to span, and further is simple, normal means windwos is direct from the control console - to delete, create as it is necessary.

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The price of a question 3-5 . On the new screw.
Whether it is necessary to risk for the sake of this money the data and to waste time?

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wrote:

to create a file in this area. I.e. to edit its place manually, that  this area.

the Dead duck. To the first background defragmentation. Or manually to mark clusters of this area as , or that it is more reasonable, to create on this space the separate latent segment which has been not arranged in those.

Joss wrote:

How much I understood, it is necessary to use Acronis Disk Director or Partition Magic.
Here two more programs Paragon Hard Disk Manager and AOMEI Partition Assistant

Acronis Disk Director , and in a boot drive format, instead of from under existing OS prompted.

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. And what, a disk not to change? That is in any way pair of thousand not to find on a new hard disk? If the disk started to be strewed, I would not calculate for it generally in any way

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I use such disks only for tests...

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Arm79 wrote:

. And what, a disk not to change? That is in any way pair of thousand not to find on a new hard disk? If the disk started to be strewed, I would not calculate for it generally in any way

Clearly that it is better to replace a disk. But a floor of year back I produced disk changeover. And somehow  it to change again. And with the finance now . Too many unscheduled expenditure pulled hard. And ahead see still big. (In general, replaces a disk I cannot yet though plans for changeover made)
Here were interested in my qualification. Well attentively to read the instruction and produce on it actions I can. Once for a long time was engaged in splitting of disks, information copying, treatment, setting of systems. But it was valid very much for a long time and those programs now are not actual. Now I am engaged in this business off and on. When there is a necessity.
Well, the tool to me prompted, the approximate algorithm is clear.
1. I create a disk or a flash card with Acronics and I am loaded from it.
2. I create on a disk additional section
3. I transfer there the information from primary partition.
4. I change the size of the first section that it  did not cling problem domain.
5. I change the size and position of the second section that it did not reach problem domain
Here the pair of questions was drew.
How to Select problem domain?
Not to include it in one of logical disks
To make on its place a logical disk and not to include it
To do logical disks primary or to combine primary sections with the expanded
Here it, that is necessary

Akina wrote:

..., or that it is more reasonable, to create on this space the separate latent segment which has been not arranged in those.

And whether it turns out? I will try.
Yes, now a state of a disk the such
400 Gig - good area
60 Gig - problem domain
- Further till the end of a disk good area.