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Topic: About operation of organs...

Those, internal affairs. It is cast by plaints here the Author: Kaifa Date: 28.06 09:55 to an occasion of the bad operation of these organs. I from those, from the were. I will tell about militia, for business old. For a seed history: There was I in this history purely casually, because of shortage of employees of a call center (which phone 02) has been attracted by that for gain of group of fast reaction (as that so it was called). More shortly truncated  in hands also allow to be wound on a city on calls as a part of group. In the core there was all on a trifle, but is as though indicative: - the husband beats the wife. We come, anybody does not want to give the indication, though in words all shout. Took away the husband on small (can not on small, for a long time was, and the divisional) till the morning (from the second time made out). - caught the illegal collector of metal (then they were fashionable,  as now). All as they say at it: both assembled threw also scales etc. And so it for one evening beat off and the confiscated scales, threw and the superimposed penalty. Well and  on a pie. The call from factory protection about that arrived that three young drunk guys rigidly beat  behind shops and dragged to small river. A detail I will not tell, but we all of them a three took with a corpse of the muzhik during that moment when they on a belt in water tried to drown a corpse in small river (the ends to input as they say). What my surprise was when in some months me subpoenaed, and I there met them. Thus two went already as witnesses. And my abstract in the form of short theses: 1. Only in films the whole department is engaged in in flow of several days by ONE business. In a reality of affairs at each employee simultaneously a coach and the small cart. 2. Citizens like to abuse organs, and here is how to give the indication, to write applications, etc. at once in a failure. The employee cannot make practically anything on the basis of only words of complaints. 3. Laws at us strange. How the penalty for what that violation can be such small that beats off for one day of violation? Thus for superimposing of this penalty it is necessary to catch, prove, issue it etc.: to be spent an incommensurable amount of resources. I.e. it even economically is not expedient. The penalty should be such that at the infringer any desire to cross the law disappeared. 4. Long live our court, the most humane court in the world! I can understand that when three killed (+ to hide a body) who that can be guilty less, who that more. But how who that of them can appear the witness, on a level with employees of organs which them caught? How? Most of all I was surprised only with courts. I certainly do not want to tell it that in organs directly  angels work. But when you try, do every day the operation on conscience and permanently see here such injustice, probably that that changes in the person? I simply left in due time. P.S. It is a bit another but too it is necessary to understand.  as now I think as. There as well as everywhere there are plans. Omission of plans is a catastrophe. And unfortunately employees with it cannot make anything. And performance of the plan which grows every year transits where that on the verge of law violation by already employee. Anything so did not strain me as plans.

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The C> Omission of plans is a catastrophe. And unfortunately employees with it cannot make anything. To take away announcement about a robbery with robbery elements much worse when the inspector in  persuades on everyone. Where , and in the Tver street, in 4-30 mornings, at the center of Moscow. And I know it not on .

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> 1. Only in films the whole department is engaged in in flow of several days by ONE business. In a reality of affairs at each employee simultaneously a coach and the small cart. It, of course, so, but thus on police shift duties, to it not the characteristic. To give to them it is more than time for struggle against a criminal act, it is possible to remove duties from police on: - output of passports - check of documents at street dealers - delivery of recruits in a military registration and enlistment office - registration of the civil weapon - reception of examinations of driving and checkup of vehicles - struggle against political opponents of the power. And all other, not connected expressly or by implication with police principal duties. And that number of policemen per capita strongly above, than in the West, and efficiency inversely proportional. A C> 2. Citizens like to abuse organs, and here is how to give the indication, to write applications, etc. at once in a failure. The employee cannot make practically anything on the basis of only words of complaints. Because there is no trust of police. The police easily merges that should be confidential. 20 years ago one my schoolmate became the witness of murder - the company of young men by two machines drank at night in a court yard, between two of them the quarrel which has outgrown in fight was fastened. Then one, tumbling down on the earth of the second, started to beat his feet on a head, to spring on a head and, as a result, killed. My schoolmate saw all it is the eyes in a window - fight was on the piece of a court yard illuminated by headlights of machines. Next morning it went to militia and all explicitly stated. Soon, someone in militia handed over the information on the witness to friends/relatives of the murderer and to my friend came home, to "talk". Openly did not threaten, but my friend understood "hint", agreed that, probably, it "seemed" to it and changed the indications.

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Yet there will be no high penalties and laws it is possible to forget about any improvings. I at myself laws at all was not afraid of the house, since all was possible . In the USA a situation another - any  a crime (read arresting) with police it at once - a little  from a pocket. For excess it is possible to fade simply on pair hundreds. And if a crime - that both record you will receive, and the lawyer should be employed not cheap. Because here it is easier to follow laws. And  anything it it is not necessary.

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Cs> - caught the illegal collector of metal (then they were fashionable,  as now). All as they say at it: both assembled he threw also scales etc. And so for one evening beat off and the confiscated scales, threw and the superimposed penalty. A C> Well and  on a pie. A C> when they on a belt in water tried to drown a corpse in small river in one row to deliver the collector of mushrooms of metal and three murderers... This what perverted consciousness should be had? It can stole metal? Then why not to speak about the thief, specializing on metal? Simply collected without obtaining the license? Well also what? Here the law is absolutely not necessary, accordingly and penalties symbolical

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Hello, SaprXM, you wrote: SXM> it can stole metal? Then why not to speak about the thief, specializing on metal? It bought up  metal. Another also could not be. Wishing to hand over metal carried to it not so own aluminum spoons, bronze candlesticks standing before on own fireplace, and not family silver.

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E> is much worse, when the inspector in  persuades on everyone to take away announcement about a robbery with robbery elements. Where , and in the Tver street, in 4-30 mornings, at the center of Moscow. E> and I know it not on . Aha. I personally through it transited. And after all  persuaded, and I  was moved. And then, when called from Office of Public Prosecutor, confirmed. The idiot. Young was, and they were very convincing.

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SXM>> it can stole metal? Then why not to speak about the thief, specializing on metal? P> it bought up  metal. Another also could not be. Wishing to hand over metal carried to it not so own aluminum spoons, bronze candlesticks standing before on own fireplace, and not family silver. Strange they any buyers. At a stock exchange aluminum approximately 130 000  for ton now looked. Opened a site of the buyer - 77 for kg. The profit definitely is, but any insignificant. I thought there in times, and here it is less, than twice. And still after all it is necessary to process a breakage, so the profit is even less

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> strange they any buyers. And they still remained, such sensation, that it was possible to take away all already took away. At us at one time pig-iron covers of manholes started to take away, but it is similar absolutely someone enraged, and pilferers with buyers took  for gentle places - the disgrace stopped. K> and still after all it is necessary to process a breakage, so a profit I Think even less that normally selected breakage costs not much more cheaply ingots. But it is necessary to collect and transport certainly.

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K>> and still after all it is necessary to process a breakage, so the profit is even less P> I Think that normally selected breakage costs not much more cheaply ingots. But it is necessary to collect and transport certainly. That's it. A profit any modest. Plus at processing  it will be filtered garbage of everyone. Plus a breakage inhomogeneous, same not pure aluminum, and aluminum alloys to devil's mother. This problem should be solved too. By the way I generally  as it dare commercially,  that-whether? And it is all grandmas, grandmas...

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> that's it. A profit any modest. Plus at processing  it will be filtered garbage of everyone. Plus a breakage inhomogeneous, same not pure aluminum, and aluminum alloys to devil's mother. This problem should be solved too. Send those collectors who brought a hogwash. K> by the way I generally  as she dares commercially, Widespread an alloy not too it is a lot of. K>  that-whether? It hardly. Sort most likely on containing magnesium, copper and that there still can be the second principal component. At fusion can adjust composition components.  most likely in  also melt, without caring at all of percentage, not for this purpose it. Though disposal of silicon himiko-metallurgical methods likely is possible.

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P> Sort most likely on containing magnesium, copper and that there still can be the second principal component. At fusion can adjust composition components. P> Silumin most likely in  also melt, without caring at all of percentage, not for this purpose it. Though disposal of silicon himiko-metallurgical methods likely is possible. I worked at metal works. Just aluminum hire. So alloys there to devil's mother. And the main income received factory from manufacture  (more truly hire for them, already the customer did banks) everyone  or space acceptance too was, but on a trifle. And so even at manufacture , even to one customer, alloys all the same varied very strongly. Why - for me a riddle. Had not time to ask.

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> I worked at metal works. Just aluminum hire. So alloys there to devil's mother. And the main income received factory from manufacture  (more truly hire for them, already the customer did banks) everyone  or space acceptance too was, but on a trifle. And so even at manufacture , even to one customer, alloys all the same varied very strongly. Why - for me a riddle. Had not time to ask. The equipment doing of preparations banks is possible demands certain mark. Or on the contrary, what raw materials inscribed in requirements at factory were from this and made the next batch.

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SXM>> it can stole metal? Then why not to speak about the thief, specializing on metal? P> it bought up  metal. Another also could not be. Wishing to hand over metal carried to it not so own aluminum spoons, bronze candlesticks standing before on own fireplace, and not family silver. Thanks, then norms more or less

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K> strange they any buyers. At a stock exchange aluminum approximately 130 000  for ton now looked. Opened a site of the buyer - 77 for kg. The profit definitely is, but any insignificant. I thought there in times, and here it is less, than twice. And still after all it is necessary to process a breakage, so the profit is very easy for melting even less aluminum, I think from the first attempt I will consult - saw video pair as melted in garage scrap iron at me here  accept: so the iron accessories costs less than 30000 roubles for ton, and almost pure electric power or even coal which costs like nearby 5000 for ton accept on 17000 on expenses there, and the ton on ton should suffice a profit not in times, but is is and not narcobusiness

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> - output of passports AK> - check of documents at street dealers AK> - delivery of recruits in military registration and enlistment office AK> - registration of civil weapon AK> - reception of examinations of driving and checkup of vehicles AK> - struggle against political opponents of power AK>. And all other, not connected expressly or by implication with police principal duties. And that number of policemen per capita strongly above, than in the West, and efficiency inversely proportional. These are absolutely different departments. Or you think, what inspectors from criminal departments on Fridays of the passport produce?

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SXM> aluminum is very easy for melting, I think from the first attempt I will consult - saw video pair as melted in garage it yes. I melted on a gas cooker on kitchen a spoon. Just it gives? How to clear?

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: Yesterday once again faced organs. On Friday took away the child from school camp and it appeared that someone withdrew a skateboard. The skateboard stood on a special parking for bicycles where from 10 meters the camera looks. Thought that it strong is direct  from the pilferer. Caused police. Joint efforts found a skateboard at the adjacent house. While I with one employee legalized papers, the inspector researched records of videocameras. As a result the inspector told to me that it is necessary to write , on cameras it is visible nothing and showed me a small fragment on which really almost it is visible nothing. But on phone I too so can remove, even a film in HD quality. Well I will not check that there there are cameras with such rotten quality of record. I so understood that time a skateboard was, to the inspector further already to understand desires are not present. Seeing an event I simply smiled and signed , faced these organs and earlier and there is no more desire to waste time in anywhere. And before and wheels to me pricked, and I tried to persuade 2 weeks the divisional to take records from the camera on a row of the standing gas station. And the divisional still somewhere put 2 years ago  protocol (and I took on receipt), already and to Office of Public Prosecutor wrote and was tired of this all.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> I from those, from the were. A C> I Will tell about militia, for business old. You, misters, is better at all would not work. The self-court is quite good in case of all extreme, and with something smaller - see, the sense from you has not enough. People lived generations without you, and the population grew. Now you work, the population is reduced. Metal, you see to collect it became illegal. It is impossible to collect metal, without paying the Chief that it the Chief. And for a wind, for a rain, and for snow.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: Metal, you see to collect it became illegal. It is impossible to collect metal, without paying the Chief that it the Chief. And for a wind, for a rain, and for snow. Metal collection is buying up  metal, in 99 % of cases. It if collection at private persons. License obtaining is possibility to forbid reception metal of frankly criminal origin and possibility to supervise who and that handed over, for capture of especially impudent pilferers.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> license Obtaining is possibility to forbid reception metal of frankly criminal origin and possibility to supervise who and that handed over, for capture of especially impudent pilferers. You see it is possible to collect also ferrous metal. But for some reason, this collection is exceptional black people,  are engaged. Probably, they such to business talented, and licenses they with ease receive. But I suspect that it simply monopolization of branch - very profitable by the way, monopolization by an ethnic crime. Russian it is impossible to collect, and it is it is possible. And that Russian did not collect, the police tracks that. That God forbid did not grow rich. It is not necessary to Russian of money.

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SXM>> aluminum is very easy for melting, I think from the first attempt I will consult - saw video pair as melted in garage K> it yes. I melted on a gas cooker on kitchen a spoon. Just it gives? How to clear? And it is necessary to clear? It already an alloy with certain percent of components (the different fusible metals, all useful) accordingly to receive a commodity alloy, it is necessary to measure only concentration of each component and to add a missing mass part of a pure material... How to measure - I think experts know, probably there are even compact devices any which speak at once percent

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Metal, you see to collect it became illegal. It is impossible to collect metal, without paying the Chief that it the Chief. And for a wind, for a rain, and for snow. Windfallen trees, berries and mushrooms... (Quite seriously)

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: You see it is possible to collect also ferrous metal. But for some reason, this collection is exceptional black people,  are engaged. Probably, they such to business talented, and licenses they with ease receive. Yes you , whether truth that? It in your village so? Or in capitals of our native land - cities heroes? But I suspect that it simply monopolization of branch - very profitable by the way, monopolization by an ethnic crime. Russian it is impossible to collect, and it is it is possible. To whom it? And that Russian did not collect, the police tracks that. Excuse, dear companion, but your national insults are absolutely not interesting against that accessible metal all in the slightest degree has been taken away in 90 - the beginning 2000, are peeled all  facings of doors in lifts of apartment houses, all wires on idle are removed, and happened also operating, rural electric mains, started to dig out already a communication cable, but there to pick out metal from insulation more difficult. Started to take away and black - manholes from wells to remove. At us contrived to cut many kilometers of steel pipes of not completed and frozen heating main. And yes, with  insulation of heating mains began, everywhere, it already to the middle 90 did not exist. Search though that  metal became the purpose   on garden small houses. That God forbid did not grow rich. I would not want that those people which acts are described above, grew rich. It is not necessary to Russian of money. I what for dragged this demagogy

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Hello, SaprXM, you wrote: SXM> it already an alloy with certain percent of components (the different fusible metals, all useful) SXM> accordingly to receive a commodity alloy, it is necessary to measure only concentration of each component and to add a missing mass part of a pure material... SXM> how to measure - I think experts know, probably there are even compact devices any which speak at once percent With sampling there are problems, it is necessary to do it already in a melt. I think, all is easier, where requirements to composition more religiously, there take pure aluminum and add in composition that is necessary. There, where requirements take easier a breakage and can during a meltdown is valid adjust. The intermediate variants - a part a breakage, a part pure are still possible. It is still possible  careful search of a breakage before a meltdown, there where requirements more religiously. I think skilled people perfectly see from what alloy a scrap metal piece. Can not to within content percent, but the alloy class at some skill should be defined easily.