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Topic: or anticreeping system?

In what to be enclosed?

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Hello, rookie, you wrote: R> In what to be enclosed? Anticreeping systems have a disgusting property, they break in due course and when it breaks years through 5 most likely spare parts any more will not be, in connection with lineup change it is necessary to buy new and to pay money for a pulling down old  new well and for system too

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Hello, a.v.v, you wrote: AVV> anticreeping systems have a disgusting property, they break in due course the lock of a cowl of years through 5 Broke, but it separately was put. Itself  - 10 years of norms. Truth at it all functions: doors to open. But other functions also it is not necessary, since all  are cracked and are calculated only for protection against drunks and for the sake of convenience (doors from apart to open; yes, still remote ignition). This my judgement and the master from service. My judgement on a subject:   on 20 +  for the first 3 years.

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It looking that is necessary to you.  does not protect from stealing, and can at all compensates nested money in case of stealing. But if scratch the machine, rumple or you will rumple (but not on excite),  - that repair to you provides glass with a stone. The anticreeping system of it does not make. The anticreeping system is good if it is put as a competent anticreeping complex, the main thing not at  (there it to be put on a flow and the pioneer removes it especially not ). But gives any warranties that do not withdraw the machine. As to statistics of stealings, in one club of fans of Japanese cars there is a heading with statistics of stealing of club machines. There it seemed about 120 stealings from which it is stolen machines with an anticreeping complex it seemed machines five, and from these five - four giving the machine to repair transferred keys,  to employees of services and one withdrew - turbidly somehow, like on the wrecker delivered and so dragged off. And cases 20 there - that were stealing attempts - all picked open, but machines could not get.

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Hello, rookie, you wrote: R> In what to be enclosed? In due time I studied this question. Here it is necessary to understand that if want to steal, steal anyway and anticreeping systems are capable to increase breaking time only. I.e. if without it break the machine for 2 minutes, with it for 10. In flow of these of 10 minutes someone can prevent malefactors, someone to frighten off (in the theory). In practice, steal all that want. The abstract: - if at you the rare machine, for example Kruzak 100 in an excellent state or something similar, good anticreeping systems (a little) and a prayer of Bozhenke. - if at you a normal wheelbarrow which can be gone and bought once again,  only from stealing. At RosGosStrah'a such costs from 10  in a year and depends on mark and year of release of a car. It is cheap and without hassle. I also selected such variant.

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Hello, a.v.v, you wrote: AVV> anticreeping systems have a disgusting property, they break in due course AVV> and when it breaks years through 5 most likely spare parts any more will not be, in connection with change of lineup AVV> it is necessary to buy new and to pay money for a pulling down old  new well and for system too Old system it is necessary to take down and because of release for it .

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Hello, Vladislav, you wrote: - if at you a normal wheelbarrow which can be gone and bought once again,  only from stealing. At RosGosStrah'a such costs from 10  in a year and depends on mark and year of release of a car. When I this year looked the prices for Kasko, from at  there was one of the greatest, and so time in 4. On the average - 30 , at them - 130 .

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Hello, a.v.v, you wrote: AVV>> anticreeping systems have a disgusting property, they break in due course AVV>> and when it breaks years through 5 most likely spare parts any more will not be, in connection with change of lineup AVV>> it is necessary to buy new and to pay money for a pulling down old  new well and for system too M> Old system it is necessary to take down and because of release for it . And if  and  under it is not present, for example from family Pandora?

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> When I this year looked the prices for Kasko, from at  there was one of the greatest, and so time in 4. On the average - 30 , at them - 130 . This year made in . In the past walked immediately in  and I agreed there, i.e. not  their mad programs. This year to me advised against, tell  absolutely "coast ".

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Hello, Vladislav, you wrote: Hello, rookie, you wrote: R>> In what to be enclosed? In due time I studied this question. Here it is necessary to understand that if want to steal, steal anyway and anticreeping systems are capable to increase breaking time only. I.e. if without it break the machine for 2 minutes, with it for 10. In flow of these of 10 minutes someone can prevent malefactors, someone to frighten off (in the theory). In practice, steal all that want. But practice says that if there are two machines of one model steal that is at which  and are not present  a complex, and the machine without  on with anticreeping a complex leave.

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Hello, ssp_alex, you wrote: _> But practice says that if there are two machines of one model steal that is at which  and are not present  a complex, and the machine without  on with anticreeping a complex leave. I agree with it. Here everyone selects itself. At me 2 machines - 6 and 7 years. Sometimes I very much want that them already stole at last. Would receive money with insurance, would add the, would buy something else... So any dog and was not flattered till now.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> the Old system needs to be taken down and because of release for it . For slave-systems with a label  will not be basically

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: Looking that you you want. For me in  the killer-feature is possibility in a frost to launch the engine on warming up, without quitting the house.  the such is not able. On the other hand,  is not able to return the grandma for repair if suddenly  you will scratch any column on a parking or the manhole open you will find on road. Is better to have, of course, both that, and another - but it if money is...  has no relation to . Possibility remotely to launch the machine simplifies life to car thieves.

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Hello, ssp_alex, you wrote: _> As to statistics of stealings, in one club of fans of Japanese cars there is a heading with statistics of stealing of club machines. _> there it seemed about 120 stealings from which it is stolen machines with an anticreeping complex it seemed machines five, and from these five - four giving the machine to repair transferred keys,  to employees of services and one withdrew - turbidly somehow, like on the wrecker delivered and so dragged off. And cases 20 there - that were stealing attempts - all picked open, but machines could not get. Sounds fine, but how many  have . Surrenders to me that the percent will differ not strongly.

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Hello, rookie, you wrote: R> In what to be enclosed? Tried both that and another. Strongly depends on cost of the machine and your income. In good  plus that with it it is really difficult to steal the machine. I had problems with machine with anticreeping system when on service understood that it costs, very much hoped that it should not be dismantled. Even in the conditions of service it was to make is labor-consuming. Car thieves, of course, will not crack it, and will bypass, but it too not so is simple. But  deliver problems, sometimes , batteries during the most unexpected moment regularly sit down. Sometimes the machine is very necessary, and  suddenly starts to behave in a queer way, while like managed, but each time thought - what for I delivered it. Sometimes, if I go somewhere far I put a service mode just in case. With  the main problem, it is necessary what to pay regularly. Took  and it was happy, I understood that I any more do not worry about the machine. Yes, it can steal, to me do not return all money, but I at least will not lose only. As a whole it appeared that with the insurance strongly is quieter, and it is less than problems. An additional bonus - I will receive money in case of serious failure. In general, now I think that if the machine costs not much, it is not necessary to put anything and it is not necessary to insure. If it is expensive, it is better to insure, so will be quieter. , alas, calmness does not add, and problems will be more since the machine becomes complicated. With  probability with  you also will face, instead of the car thief.

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Hello, rookie, you wrote: R> In what to be enclosed? It a miscellaneous. All the same what to ask that beef or pork is better.  does not protect from stealing.  protects. But  returns money. + in case of road accident. Besides, it is necessary to look what money. In the first year returns exactly so much how many it is inscribed in the contract, and further already a question. In the practice I will tell that any insurance does not want to inscribe real market cost of a car in contract  (and if wants cost of the policy will strongly not please you) - well here so if it stole, you went tomorrow and on . bought precisely . And considering as the prices for machines grow (well there courses, inflation) that in contract  for the machine will be higher 3 years will differ aloud from the market. Yes, you then can bring an action quite where a year or two from now to prove that to you underestimated cost in the contract - but who wants to be engaged in it? Or it is possible to be still absolutely sad and to buy type the expanded insurance (when deterioration), it is considered despite that that the deterioration registration is provided by the law. More often people getting to such situation simply sell business to lawyers for % from compensating on a judgement. About problems with breakages  - here everyone to itself spiteful . If to select normal , its fitters, it is normal behind it to track, all APPRX. in general it will be necessary to approach complexly: - what mark, what place in a rating of stealings in your region and regions of a possible dislocation of your car - how many costs  and how many lose in case of totala \stealing on a difference of market price of a car and payments Well type if it rio\soljara\kukuruzer and speech about SPb - that unambiguously is necessary, and 10 % of cost of a car are a question about good . Well can only in the first year-two it will be restricted  if you are ready remained without the machine not strongly to be upset running on neighbourhoods with documents and to expect payment couple of months. And if speech about the conditional Magadan where to anybody is not present business to your right-hand drive Corolla - that as though and  to a goat a bayan?

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Hello, ssp_alex, you wrote: _> But if scratch the machine, rumple or you will rumple (but not on excite),  - that repair to you provides glass with a stone. The anticreeping system of it does not make. At me such expenditures on the average for 14 years make 8  in a year on the machine. Such helmets does not happen

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Hello, ssp_alex, you wrote: _>> But if scratch the machine, rumple or you will rumple (but not on excite),  - that repair to you provides glass with a stone. The anticreeping system of it does not make. M> at me such expenditures on the average for 14 years make 8  in a year on the machine. Such helmets does not happen Cases happen different. I quit as that from operation - at the machine a door and a wing under changeover, cameras are not present, witnesses are not present. GAI, design of collision with unstated .., Insurance, repair at . as the total a new door and a wing. Though, if fairly  was because the machine credit. Now the prices on  - absolutely not real. Considered on the machine: Taking into account age and run  estimated it in 450 000 , and the prices for  with a minimum dial-up of services exposed 90 000. To Risks it is possible to add also that moment that for  in the best variant return 100 % of cost as estimated under the contract, and here if steal for example under the end of the year the price of the same model can change generally speaking. For example when I bought the swallow it was 620000, and in the end of the year already the price for the same model in the same complete set became 780 000 (as a set of wheels to )

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Hello, alzt, you wrote: A> Sounds fine, but how many  have . Surrenders to me that the percent will differ not strongly. It depends on mark and model if to compare in lump - that of sense in  is not present but if to do in a model section - that a pattern sharply exchanges. If without  there will be 49 Lada Vesta (generally to car thieves it is not interesting) and the Solaris (in a top of stealings) - rest the Solaris, but statistics of stealings will say that steal only 2 % of machines without a signaling. It is necessary then to compare "how many  one mark and model have " And so, for an example, from , so to say: In a quarter where I live, on street unprotected parking it was put a little  (they then still were in a top of stealings) - stole only that on which was not .

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Hello, Njashka, you wrote: 1. Does not guarantee that returns the machine. And something to someone is guaranteed except death and taxes? 2.  in motor shows put all equally, therefore these generally easily break. Yes, at  it is not necessary to put that or except rugs and that if it is a lot of money. 3. Basically, all  manage - a matter of time and means. The purpose  not to make your machine not stolen is as all know, it is impossible. Aim to make its uninteresting for stealing. The sense a floor of hour  with your car if nearby costs same with which  3 minutes? 4. All anticreeping companies, somewhere near to car thieves. In that sense, very often car thieves have there the people or receive draining of the data therefrom. For people - a feeble link! Generalizations such generalizations. 5. A bonus - it is frequent fitters  stupidly spoil the machine the collective farm. It it is necessary to toil with elektrikoj/electronics? And even more often do not spoil. It looking what fitters to find and what to put. Total:  has the lacks, but it is more preferable. + it is possible to throw a beacon/phone in a luggage carrier. Only a beacon/phone it is naive for  GSM/GPS is on sale on  for thousand roubles pair. On  speak it is possible to find for 500, it is interposed in  a stolen car. At  in respect of stealing exactly one lack - it does not protect from stealing generally and in any way.  it about reimbursing of a part of losses at stealing/dtp.

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M>> the Old system needs to be taken down and because of release for it . _> for slave-systems with a label  there will be no basically a minus of slave-systems - when in brains of the machine the car thief registers the key and contracts the ignition lock home it is necessary to go on foot, and the machine goes to service on the wrecker. Well and still changeover of locks.

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Hello, alzt, you wrote: A> Sounds fine, but how many  have . Surrenders to me that the percent will differ not strongly. Insurance which in difference from you really are able to consider risks for the most stolen models demand presence of a supernumerary signaling from the list.

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Hello, rookie, you wrote: R> In what to be enclosed? If from stealing, from budgetary decisions - the lock on a steering shaft, from pluses:  you will not crack, from minuses: the salon does not heat up in the winter.