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Topic: As in the USA democrats force

In the beginning - news. Yesterday Twitter remained the last popular platform, whence has not been erased American , the presenter and still very many people Alex Johns Marafon under the conditional slogan "we erase Johns", begun in the end of July from removal of rollers of its transmission Infowars with YouTube, turned to mass voluntary campaign. For  on YouTube followed  on Facebook and removal  Johns with Stitcher Radio, Spotify and Apple. Twitter, we repeat, while keeps - for what it is pressed rigidly by the press. That here it is important to mark 44-year-old Johns - the person deeply exotic. It is almost comical American "alternative right". It unmasks, along with intrigues of democrats, media empires and corporations, also "lunar plot" and harmful grafts with which etch Americans. Its fad - various , including other-wordly (after execution at elementary school "Sendi Huk" in 2012 it assumed that the tragedy was partly production). That is - at all dislike for a semi-official American discourse - to declare Johns the Naked truth source extremely inconveniently. It is faster the character of their national bestiary, amusing media theater in whom until recently got on, desperately each other hating, black LGBT-RADICALS and White Right Unmaskers of Plots. But at all it legally (and Americans understand something in the law and barratry) Johns was all these years within the limits of the legislation on freedom of expressions. Against it, of course, submitted claims - but about victories over it something is not audible. Upon given the character represented only outlook - let and in a genre " a paranoid thriller". And this outlook close many (and spectators at Johns millions, and its rollers to general  viewed listeners in total more than billion times). Moreover, Johns was all these years a target for refined and not so humour of opponents. Over it  leading American comedians (entirely  and democrats) are kidding. It parody in evening satirical shows. The characters who have been written off from it, deduce in books, films and serials. That is, better to say, it for years served as the valve for steam release offended - and by that like as played a role "the useful outcast". And here suddenly at opponents handed over nerves. And over Johns, the political scientist and the paranoiac, produced operation on its removal from a reality. Value of this operation is difficult for overestimating - including for us. Here here in what all piece. At first, Johns the government, not forbade not court and at all any "special services in interests of national safety". It was multiplied by a zero by cartel of private Internet platforms. Those that at the beginning of the development, about 10-15 years ago, were considered as tools on final to "clearing of a freedom of speech". We remind: at the beginning of the century appearance of social networks has been estimated by the advanced minds of the world as the dictatorship end "rich and powerful" over media space. About what monopoly for true there can be a speech when each citizen has possibility to deliver before itself the camera and a microphone and to start to make comments on an event in the world from the belltower? Well and so: it appeared that can. It appeared that all these years knights of the free expression lived, worked and developed the "independent mass-media" on the bird's rights. It appeared that if the corporations which have given to them sections, decide to take down any become impudent star - that its disappearance is simply question of several . Thus even  legislation any there private traders have. It is enough to declare that the become impudent star "speaks language of hatred"and"spreads fakes". The fear, and only If to consider that in the USA large business, actually, and is a state basis - that before us in the pure state prosecution of the dissident. Only in epic Totalitarian Modes of the XX-th century of dissidents ceased to print, removed portraits in libraries and cut from encyclopedias. And now, when the world passed in online, - them disconnect from the cores . Secondly - we estimate bitter  the event:" This paranoiac talks such nonsense about ostensibly any plot of corporations against a freedom of speech that we, corporations, decided it to stop up once and for all ". It is all speaks about one very sad - and not only for the USA - the fact. Ideologists of semi-official Democratic Values any more do not consider that can benefit against the opponents in a fair competition. They do not hope any more that on their side advertizing billions, Robert  Niro and rap stars. And simply resort to direct annihilation of competitors. And such it is possible only in one situation: holders of Democratic Values feel ideologically feeble. And purely matter of time when Johns's precedent turns to routine practice. ... well and, at last, thirdly and the v-main things: on the strange coincidence of circumstances of article and rollers which we flood, we view,  and we spread, too substantially are on YouTube, Facebook and everyones iTunes. And it in ours  and  to a limit to the world is large vulnerability. And if the situation develops in the same direction (and it, most likely, will be) - that each of us becomes upon a victim of the American corporate censorship. Those who slander something in microphones in front of cameras, will remember that at any moment of their language declare "hatred language" and void all years of their work and ten/hundred thousand/millions subscribers. And those who simply is at home before a computer or in a trolley bus with the smart phone, will receive the pattern of the world filtered and castrated according to representations about fine any the advanced ideological managers from Dublin or San Francisco. Thus at our country chances even more low, than at other as Russia, as it is known, is a source of the poisonous propagation, imperceptibly trying to loosen the American democracy. This judgement is obvious, it is divided by all decent people in San Francisco - that is why it does not need any proofs. And to complain, if that, there will be no place. An output from here the most banal. During the come epoch to "the broken globalization" to hand over the panel from a reality to strategic competitors - it is silly and short-sighted. So, any country, wishing to be independent, it is necessary to implement own "the Chinese variant". Not only with the analogs of all main platforms, but also with own Great Firewall. Because time of "fair game", "the free competition of judgements" and the other romanticism already came to an end: anybody to anybody will fairly not compete. More in detail on https://aurora.network/articles/136-che … sii-v-ssha

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Re: As in the USA democrats force

Hello, sharpman, you wrote: S> In the beginning - news. Yesterday Twitter remained the last popular platform, whence has not been erased American , the presenter and still very many people Alex Johns and what if it is system test run? Anybody in a network not begins to protect it.

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S> In the beginning - news. Yesterday Twitter remained the last popular platform, whence has not been erased American , the presenter and still very many people Alex Johns it is simple for a long time already here the specific dude got to sphere of your attention and so this already decent amount of years goes, practically since at  there were many users while all looks very badly, but at me the hope glimmers that there will be information offshore which on a consensus  will put a bolt and censorship will not enter

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> while all looks very badly, but at me the hope glimmers that there will be information offshore which on a consensus  will put a bolt and censorship will not enter http://rsdn.org/forum/flame.politics/7078604.all the Author: Khimik Date: 12.03 20:35

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> it is simple here the specific dude This dude very well-known got to sphere of your attention.  correct is given,  and slightly that, but harmless that does a situation of even more absurd. K> while all looks very badly, but at me the hope glimmers that there will be information offshore which on a consensus  will put a bolt and censorship will not enter Also who into this offshore will walk? Cats on  spread, about existence something another of 95 % does not know and never learns.

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K>> it is simple here the specific dude This dude very well-known got to sphere of your attention Ops>.  correct is given,  and slightly that, but harmless that does a situation of even more absurd. A problem that it completely not harmless. He permanently tells that it harmless and that is its scenic image. But here in what business. For example, well-known Pizzagate.  and Infowars perfectly to itself untwisted this poor ... Until then, when letters with threats to employees of cafe did not turn to the dude who came to shoot also their beginnings. And here they suddenly ceased to spread and delete this theory video on this subject. That, of course, does not cancel complexity of a situation about which rather recently and very well founder Cloudfare wrote: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-term … y-stormer/ That is Dzhouns - a racist nazi shit, and on precepts xkcd nobody is obliged to it to give a platform (and generally to drive it ). But thus removal and  (its and other shit of type Daily Stormer) create the precedents, which else it is not known, what side . In NY Times about it it is well written: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/opin … ebook.html it is short: it and so gets under a heap of already existing laws so to drive it it is necessary under existing laws.

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Hello, andini, you wrote: A> the Problem that it completely not harmless. He permanently tells that it harmless and that is its scenic image. But here in what business. For example, well-known Pizzagate.  and Infowars perfectly to itself untwisted this poor ... Until then, when letters with threats to employees of cafe did not turn to the dude who came to shoot also their beginnings. And here they suddenly ceased to spread and delete this theory video on this subject. Aha. The dude went to shoot, but it is not guilty, guilty  which never called for violence. The fine logic. A> that is Dzhouns - a racist nazi shit, and on precepts xkcd nobody is obliged to it to give a platform (and generally to drive it ). But thus removal and  (its and other shit of type Daily Stormer) create the precedents, which else it is not known, what side . In NY Times about it it is well written: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/07/opin … ebook.html it is short: It and so gets under a heap of already existing laws so to drive it it is necessary under existing laws. It is necessary in the frame, and to rub the nose, when somebody about propagation on ours 1 channel gives a hint. To ours to such  still to work and work.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Hello, koenig, you wrote: K>> it is simple here the specific dude This dude very well-known got to sphere of your attention Ops>.  correct is given,  and slightly that, but harmless that does a situation of even more absurd.  that I think that it is next "test", on how many the people are really anxious by the first correction. Here there is a legal subtlety that all social platforms at a present situation as though for "in a crowd" first correction, unlike , newspapers, the areas, etc. the First test was when youtube began in large quantities  NRA and similar channels, especially those which produced a picture that contradicts   on  the weapon at the population.

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Hello, kostik78, you wrote: K> Voobshchem that I think that it is next "test", on how many the people are really anxious by the first correction. Here there is a legal subtlety that all social platforms at a present situation as though for "in a crowd" first correction, unlike , newspapers, the areas, etc. K> the First test was when youtube began in large quantities  NRA and similar channels, especially those which produced a picture that contradicts   on  the weapon at the population. Or not the test, and simply a window move. And a mainstream of mass-media well work, people help the Author: andini Date: 09.08 21:37 to move.

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Hello, sharpman, And at the Russian Federation such is - Nesmijan Muridovich. At a despotism it already would bang for a long time or in a mental hospital rolled up, and in the Russian Federation is not present - day by day continues the diarrhea to pour. Here today gave vent next concerning sanctions and to the authorities on it it is deep

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Hello, sharpman, you wrote: I still spoke 10 years ago (and even argued with colleagues) what to admit on our home market of monopolists in the form of jutuba/fujsbuka/Google - very short-sighted dullness of our government! To me answered about "freedom of speech" and "competition", on what I always told that similar services not that other, as a crucial infrastructure (type of oil and gas trunks, a radio-frequency range and so forth) And it is very stupid to give control over an infrastructure to the exterior state. As a result that it is received: - free grandmas for advertizing in these which are not creating values services, flow away  - the exterior government implements censorship under the pretext of "struggle with  news and Russian propagation" - uses these  for advancement of the ideas and propagation - local players cannot compete to world leaders because of more poor (for good reason) a content So as on me, for a long time ripened a question of the full confiscation of all incomes the American Internet of the companies in the Russian market (as antisanctions, for example) is a minimum. Their smooth prohibition - as a maximum.

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Hello, sharpcoder, you wrote: S> So as on me, for a long time ripened a question of the full confiscation of all incomes the American Internet of the companies in the Russian market (as antisanctions, for example) is a minimum. Their smooth prohibition - as a maximum. So changeover is not present, one  only.

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S> To me answered about "freedom of speech" and "competition", on what I always told that similar services not that other as a crucial infrastructure (type of oil and gas trunks, a radio-frequency range and so forth), and it is very stupid to give control over an infrastructure to the exterior state. That part of the control, which state wanted - it received S> So as on me, for a long time ripened a question of the full confiscation of all incomes the American Internet of the companies in the Russian market (as antisanctions, for example) is a minimum. Their smooth prohibition - as a maximum. They in the answer confiscate you

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: S>> So as on me, for a long time ripened a question of the full confiscation of all incomes the American Internet of the companies in the Russian market (as antisanctions, for example) is a minimum. Their smooth prohibition - as a maximum. Ops> so changeovers are not present, one  only. All is. Yandex-google gmail - mail.ru youtube-rutube? facebook - vk, odnoklassniki messengers - here idiots * telegram