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Topic: At this time 100 years ago...

Possibly, all of us transited at school concept "military communism". But as it was actually - the broad picture already never recover. Actually, , In September, 2018 Russia meets century of one of the most gloomy episodes of the history - the red terror declared by Bolsheviks against the political opponents. : First of all I suggest to familiarize to local fans of the history, till now living in peace the Soviet school textbooks.

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HA> : First of all I suggest to familiarize to local fans of the history, till now living in peace the Soviet school textbooks. I of Bolsheviks do not love also any illusions into their account I do not feed, but in article the delirium is written

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HA> But as it was actually - the broad picture already never recover. Why? I consider that a certain pattern (in my opinion, probable enough) is. If briefly "all of you there good fellows" (. There was "a white terror", there was "a red terror". In white there were contradictions that expressed in cleanings. In red there were contradictions (Bolsheviks against , for example) that too expressed in cleanings.

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Hello, Head Ache, you wrote: HA> In September, 2018 Russia meets century of one of the most gloomy episodes of the history - the red terror declared by Bolsheviks against the political opponents. Thus that white terror started to grow since April of 2018 and reached apogee in May when already began to happen monstrous the evil deed, not dreaming later even to fascists. But still already 4 months were required to agree on realization of uselessness of attempts with .

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Hello, Head Ache, you wrote: HA> In September, 2018 Russia meets century of one of the most gloomy episodes of the history - the red terror declared by Bolsheviks against the political opponents. A tape == delirium.

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Hello, Head Ache, you wrote: HA> : First of all I suggest to familiarize to local fans of the history, till now living in peace the Soviet school textbooks. And what here to consider that? Moisej Solomonovich Uritsky was a goat. To the power gangsters, though and with brains as a matter of fact came. But I always protected the USSR and I will protect, for Lenin for Stalin! Though implementation also pumped up, but such political system is pleasant to me more than present capitalism.

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: S> If briefly "all of you there good fellows" (. S> There was "a white terror", there was "a red terror". In white there were contradictions that expressed in cleanings. In red there were contradictions (Bolsheviks against , for example) that too expressed in cleanings. The popular point of view which is very convenient to Bolsheviks and them , but which, in my opinion, extremely . If to speak : the Concept "red terror" is lawful, as Bolsheviks officially declared it and and named. The concept "white terror" is by and large a stamp which Bolsheviks and some historians appropriated heterogeneous set of actions of white forces. So-called "white terror" was  on "red terror" which Bolsheviks began the first and with a huge range. The number of victims of "white terror" is much less than number of victims of "red terror". Moreover, in number of victims of "white terror" very often include victims of fighting collisions. Violent acts against "red" have been justified, since as a matter of fact Bolsheviks arranged revolution during war which led to disorder of army and defeat. On good, the court-martial could shoot all of them for it. Actually, during the Second World War and arrived. To put it briefly, Bolsheviks and the adjacent forces with them (type ) arranged revolution in which course they showed  cruelty, and made they it meaningly and planned to arrive in advance so. Thus Bolsheviks set such standard of cruelty in comparison with which all so-called crimes of an imperial mode simply grow dim. We compare, for example, Lenin and Nikolay's destinies 2. At "bloody" Nikolay, Lenin spent some time in exile in a sparing mode (at all to penal servitude), then easy lived abroad. At Lenenie, Nikolay 2 shot together with a family, both the cook, and the doctor, and then shot those who shot. Nuff said. Therefore, without aspiring to justify white, I consider that red terror is a primary crime of such scales that it simply cannot be justified and . Z.Y.wr  as it is a lot of operation, is closer to days off we can  in more details.

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Hello, Jeffrey, you wrote: we Compare, for example, Lenin and Nikolay's destinies 2. At "bloody" Nikolay, Lenin spent some time in exile in a sparing mode (at all to penal servitude), then easy lived abroad. At Lenenie, Nikolay 2 shot together with a family, both the cook, and the doctor, and then shot those who shot. Nuff said. Well so Lenin there was a representative of ruling class - with it it was impossible to address on another. And here is how addressed with cattle: at survey of recruits in army in 1914 it was clarified that 40 % of all recruits had on themselves traces of a flogging and then suddenly this cattle, is not clear why, arranged red terror and banged

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Hello, xma, you wrote: >> But I the USSR always protected and I will protect, for Lenin for Stalin! >> Though implementation also pumped up, but such political system is pleasant to me more than present capitalism. xma> as about the Swedish model of a socialism? Remarkably. But the world is occupied by very silly people who are not understanding great advantages of this model. For this reason anywhere except pair small, but very rich countries (occupied, it is clear the stub, clever), this model is not implemented. Really, it is impossible to understand, why the Swedish socialism do not want to apply in Germany, Burma and even in Uganda though there, apparently, the Allah ordered.

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: xma>> as about the Swedish model of a socialism? LL> it is remarkable. But the world is occupied by very silly people who are not understanding great advantages of this model. For this reason anywhere except pair small, but very rich countries (occupied, it is clear the stub, clever), this model is not implemented. Really, it is impossible to understand, why the Swedish socialism do not want to apply in Germany, Burma and even in Uganda though there, apparently, the Allah ordered. In Germany and so socially-lawful state. And in Burma and Uganda be there not capitalism and communism - would be even worse.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> well so Lenin there was a representative of ruling class - with it it was impossible to address on another. Aha, ruling class. Here the citation from Wikipedia: Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov was born in 1870 in Simbirsk (nowadays Ulyanovsk), in a family of the inspector of national schools of Simbirsk province of Ilya Nikolaevicha Ulyanov (1831-1886), - the son of the former serf of village Androsovo of Sergachsky district of the Nizhniy Novgorod province Nikolay Ulyanov (a variant of a spelling of a surname: ), married to Anna Smirnovoj - daughters of the Astrakhan petty bourgeois (under the version of the Soviet writer M.S.Shaginjan happening from a sort  of Kalmyks). Mother - Maria Aleksandrovna Ulyanov (nee the Form, 1835-1916), a Swedish-German origin on mother and, under different versions, an Ukrainian, German or Jewish - on the father. Vladimir's grandfather on mother was, on one of versions, the Jew who has accepted Orthodoxy, Alexander Dmitrievich Blank. Under other version, it happened from a family of the German colonists invited to Russia by Catherine II). DH> and here is how addressed with cattle: DH> at survey of recruits in army in 1914 it was clarified that 40 % of all recruits had on themselves flogging traces On-first, give references, please, that it was possible to check up that we do not consider fakes. Secondly, what means "flogging traces"? If we speak about recruits most likely it is young men, most likely peasants. That I admit that children . There can be their fathers, can be at schools, can be for any crimes (here, by the way, the interesting notice on this subject). It is less probable that them  the landowner on a stable. DH> and then suddenly this cattle, is not clear why, arranged red terror and banged  By the way cattle of these people you name. And here, by the way,  how addressed with  in more extremal conditions. I think that at the Soviet power them would shoot without any sentimentality.

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Hello, xma, you wrote: xma> and in Burma and Uganda be there not capitalism and communism - would be even worse. And in Uganda, Kampala average  more than at us in region (approximately as in Belarus) http://gooper.ru/afrika/uganda/153-ceny … sport.html so can and further on them equal - instead of on neighbour's western

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Hello, Jeffrey, you wrote: DH>> well so Lenin there was a representative of ruling class - with it it was impossible to address on another. Aha, ruling class. Indeed. Generally all noblemen on a planet - initially were peasants. So it works. DH>> and here is how addressed with cattle: DH>> at survey of recruits in army in 1914 it was clarified that 40 % of all recruits had on themselves flogging traces less possibly that them  the landowner on a stable. Less possibly, yes. DH>> and then suddenly this cattle, is not clear why, arranged red terror and banged  By the way cattle of these people you name. And you - consider.

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Hello, xma, you wrote: LL>> it is remarkable. But the world is occupied by very silly people who are not understanding great advantages of this model. For this reason anywhere except pair small, but very rich countries (occupied, it is clear the stub, clever), this model is not implemented. Really, it is impossible to understand, why the Swedish socialism do not want to apply in Germany, Burma and even in Uganda though there, apparently, the Allah ordered. xma> in Germany and so socially-lawful state." And so "not , we speak about the Swedish socialism, instead of about abstract"socially-lawful state". Even to the Ukrainian such substitution is inexcusable. xma> and in Burma and Uganda be there not capitalism and communism - would be even worse. It is interesting To me, as you imagine"worse". Here, for example, in Cuba at Fidel (not so in course how there now) was worse, than in Uganda? I will remind, there there is a civil war, the population in one and a half time more than to the Russian Federation, middle age of the population - 14,8 years (!), infantile death rate in 15 times above than in Cuba. It is better than communism?

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> indeed. Generally all noblemen on a planet - initially were peasants. So it works. We wait still  for historical revelations.

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: DH>> indeed. Generally all noblemen on a planet - initially were peasants. So it works. A> we wait still  for historical revelations. ... And you thought, what noblemen - noblemen were born at once? And it is clarified - no noblemen existing, and they are people noblemen assigned.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: Aha, ruling class. DH> indeed. Generally all noblemen on a planet - initially were peasants. So it works. Anyway, the accessory of brother Lenin to "ruling class", did not rescue it from serious punishment for a serious crime. At the same time, as I resulted in the link, the imperial mode could be and very much (even it is excessive) is soft to people not from "ruling class" for too serious enough crimes.>> By the way cattle of these people you name. DH> and you - consider. Please, it is not necessary to attribute to me of judgements about which I did not write.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> ... And you thought, what noblemen - noblemen were born at once? That I think, I will better keep silent. Is better to you I will listen. And it, you at first define, you that under noblemen mean.  generally or Russian rank in particular. DH> and it is clarified - no noblemen existing, and they are people noblemen assigned. And how it follows from this that before they assigned themselves, they were peasants?

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Hello, Jeffrey, you wrote: At the same time, as I resulted in the link, the imperial mode could be and very much (even it is excessive) is soft to people not from "ruling class" for too serious enough crimes. Aha. Yes Konstantin Fedorovich Kirsta was born in a family of noble family Please, it is not necessary to attribute to me of judgements about which I did not write. What for judgements? You so conduct yourself

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Hello, andyp, you wrote: A> And how it follows from this that before they assigned themselves, they were peasants? And whom else they could be?

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Hello, Head Ache, you wrote: HA> In September, 2018 Russia meets century of one of the most gloomy episodes of the history - the red terror declared by Bolsheviks against the political opponents. It is far not the most gloomy episode in the history of Russia. I would tell, - trifles that's nothing unusual. HA> : First of all I suggest to familiarize to local fans of the history, till now living in peace the Soviet school textbooks. In the Soviet textbooks of much did not write. From delicacy. It is impossible to make "red terror" because it someone wanted - simply it does not turn out. That red terror turned out, it is necessary that the people on the whole with it agreed. And the people agreed, because before revolution at us were here such (the nice past  a shelf): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6knKjfUQ8g you asked me examples, what the imperial power behaved as in the won territory? Well here one of them. And then arrived . "And us for what?". Yes here for it.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> aha. Yes DH> Konstantin Fedorovich Kirsta was born in a family of noble family And that fact that forty eight persons are recognized by innocent and executed nobody, leaves you indifferent. DH> what for judgements? You so conduct yourself Result examples and justify.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> and whom else they could be? People always shared on at whom a revolver, and those who digs Here the citizen of the antique policy, for example, it as, the peasant or a nobleman? Or still who?

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Hello, Jeffrey, you wrote: DH>> aha. Yes DH>> Konstantin Fedorovich Kirsta was born in a family of noble family And that fact that forty eight persons are recognized by innocent and executed nobody, leaves you indifferent. In 1905 was a little not before DH>> what for judgements? You so conduct yourself Result examples and justify. It is very easy to justify: You consider that revolutions in Russia - a handwork of Bolsheviks, instead of to that-that the ruling clique slighted the people throughout centuries.