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https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3871257.html About sanctions, and other... Strongly similar on my own thoughts on all it. But not with reference to a situation with sanctions, and with reference to that, how much terrible is a current situation with opposition (more precisely, with its absence) - at crash of the present power we actually appear in a situation automatically subsequent to it of struggle of criminal groupings for the power and very probable disorder  on small components. Since the Kremlin persistently created puppets and showmen (Zjuganovyh, Navalnyh, Zhirikov and other clowns), called to imitate for telegrandmothers opposition presence, but not being it. So, suppose, as a result of sanctions and still any negative events for economy (the dollar collapse, the oil embargo), in the country arises a real economic bum. Meetings begin, revolts, the people do not live any more are full, and are ready to resolute actions. Collisions with OMON begin. Putin is forced to leave, under the Ukrainian/Armenian scenario. Who can regain control over situation? What political force? Yes anybody. There is no such force. One clowns. Probably, Navalnyj costs most close to it, but with ideology there full seams, it will be same  to everything, all we hand over, all we sell, and we remain the raw appendage only already shattered. What is possible alternative? It was 2018 in May - to assign Grudinina the prime minister, thereby showing that Putin and To are ready to share powers that they do not usurp the power over  on 76 % the population. In this case protests would transit more softly, at realization by the people of any shifts. An appeal "to tighten belts" would not sound floutingly. I really waited for such step, foreseeing gain of sanctions and economic crisis rise about what repeatedly here wrote. But it it has not been made, and consequently it is necessary, unfortunately to establish fact - Putin does not accept decisions, does not possess common sense, it is similar more likely to a wooden head of the idol on a rostrum which at full speed flies on rocks, all wait from it for any actions, but it simply piece of a tree, and the command rolls drunk in hold. (By the way, quite good idea for an art caricature). Well and generally, lately it seems to me that these people on 90 % idiots, and 10 % simply do that that tell it in the USA. 90 did not transit for nothing. Chubays for example, perfectly feels, and its any sanctions not .

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V> Well and generally, lately it seems to me that these people on 90 % idiots, and 10 % simply do that that tell it in the USA. 90 did not transit for nothing. Chubays for example, perfectly feels, and its any sanctions not . Swine and geeks - yes. Idiots - are not present.

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> swine and geeks - yes. Idiots - are not present. Even under the law the Pareto - the majority idiots. A problem in that that minority nevertheless swine and geeks, but also among them the majority idiots. They cannot glance in the future and look - that became with elite of Libya and Iraq. And they to whom will be necessary then? Native  anybody will not give any warranties, and if and there is such illusion, it only illusion. For certain some will be, as Hunch, are awarded medals and awards, but the most part of thieves' gang are stupidly brought to justice. In their England already in advance started to press.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> at crash of the present power we actually appear in a situation automatically subsequent to it of struggle of criminal groupings for the power and very probable disorder  on small components. All so often it write that it is possible to think, as if disorder on small components are the most terrible that can happen to the state. Alas, there are things and it is more terrible: Russia can fall to level of Zimbabwe uniform and indivisible. V> I really waited for such step, foreseeing gain of sanctions and economic crisis rise about what repeatedly here wrote. V> but it it has not been made, and consequently it is necessary, unfortunately to establish fact - Putin does not accept decisions, does not possess common sense, it is similar more likely to a wooden head of the idol on a rostrum which at full speed flies on rocks, all wait from it for any actions, but it simply piece of a tree, and the command rolls drunk in hold. (By the way, quite good idea for an art caricature). I represent for a long time already Russia so. All moves in this direction the Author: qwertyuiop Date: 30.07.15.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> All so often it write that it is possible to think, as if disorder on small components are the most terrible that can happen to the state. Alas, there are things and it is more terrible: Russia can fall to level of Zimbabwe uniform and indivisible. Well the difference all the same is. As Stalin, or Hammers spoke, I do not remember well that reign  for us so much earth, it will be easier to us to struggle with imperialism, possessing such resources. In general, Zimbabwe not Zimbabwe, and chance of revival in  power of 21 centuries will still remain until then while the state will be uniform. And when it will be shattered, to incorporate to reversely it do not give.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> What the alternative is possible? You exaggerate value of sanctions. For 2014-2016 Russia lost 10 % of gross national product - the power worried. Endures also the big falling. I think that the ten years threatens nothing to system. At me many familiar "quilted jackets" which crisis cost a pretty penny, but all the same they guilty did not consider the power. The power offers them a reduced model which suits them. They also do not consider more difficult models. It is obvious that without reprisals more progressive models would start to benefit, and then even the part of dense "quilted jackets" involuntarily would make a choice in their favor. But in the conditions of reprisals oppositional models cannot show the advantage. They cannot freely accumulate resources, advocate the ideas on generally available channels. Therefore remain "pig in a poke" for the passive majority. And when to representatives of this majority you specify in unattractive displays of the present power, the principal answer:" Others same will be ". Therefore instead of evolution in more difficult progressive organizational structures of a society, remains primitive  model. And it in a majority head does not fail immoral or even criminal acts of the power. Therefore an output from model I do not see. While repressive machinery works, to the power threatens nothing. Lose the position it can only in default from reprisals or deep crisis. The first is Gorbachev's way and the Eastern Europe while on horizon it is not viewed. As well as the big crisis is improbable. The full exterior economic blockade is for this purpose necessary. In other cases the market and small-scale business does not allow to fall below any level. Even the power of Venezuela at an economy total failure still keeps. Though sooner or later" on reeves "this mode results the country. It is inevitable. Simply to look at the USSR. The disorder reason - less effective business case. Flights in space, any successes in points where resources accumulated prolonged its existence. But  solves efficiency of model. Does not produce the Russian society more difficult model of the citizen which knows the own worth, earns, participates in control. To it a distance while only a part of economic freedom, and that to a certain level of integration. And while more advanced models continue to develop the citizens, Russia will lag behind in it more and more. And fake public institutes will look more and more backward. When this factor works? It is not known, can in 20 or 30 years. But I think, the next decade nothing threatens the power.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> in general, Zimbabwe not Zimbabwe, and chance of revival in  power of 21 centuries will still remain until then while the state will be uniform. And when it will be shattered, to incorporate to reversely it do not give. And who wants to be shattered here at us, except siberia2? Here as and with the people. Even those who dreams of the national sovereignty, now, not then, understand that without Russia and its nuclear weapon these dreams and remain dreams. Just examples of Libya and Iraq will be before eyes.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> https://el-murid.livejournal.com it is possible not to read further

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CP> it is obvious that without reprisals more progressive models would start to benefit, and then even the part of dense "quilted jackets" involuntarily would make a choice in their favor. But in the conditions of reprisals oppositional models cannot show the advantage. So already was also we remember. 90 progressive models tested all for us. Thanks are not necessary. The youth yes who in 90 in school walked wants .

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Hello, CutePredictor, you wrote: CP> you Exaggerate value of sanctions. For 2014-2016 Russia lost 10 % of gross national product - the power worried. Endures also the big falling. I think that the ten years threatens nothing to system. At me many familiar "quilted jackets" which crisis cost a pretty penny, but all the same they guilty did not consider the power. The power offers them a reduced model which suits them. They also do not consider more difficult models. About the true Aryan, here it is interesting to me, your acquaintances  as you them here name and what you think of them?

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Hello, night beast, you wrote: V>> https://el-murid.livejournal.com NB> it is possible not to read When to object there is nothing further, it is necessary to become personal.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> So, suppose, as a result of sanctions and still any negative events for economy (the dollar collapse, the oil embargo), in the country arises a real economic bum. Meetings begin, revolts, the people do not live any more are full, and are ready to resolute actions. Collisions with OMON begin. V> Putin is forced to leave, under the Ukrainian/Armenian scenario. Under the Ukrainian/Armenian scenario - by this moment already there will be an alternative. In general as soon as on political horizon there will be "a sensible" candidate (all from itself positive, not the clown) - means a white small animal already crept.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: V>>> https://el-murid.livejournal.com NB>> it is possible not to read Q> there is nothing When to object further, it is necessary to become personal. To object, it is necessary to spend the time for reading of imaginations of it . And it personally sufficed me  on the Libyan and Syrian wars.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> the Kremlin persistently created puppets and showmen (Zjuganovyh, Navalnyh, Zhirikov and other clowns), called to imitate for telegrandmothers opposition presence, but not being it. V> it was 2018 in May - to assign Grudinina the prime minister, thereby showing that Putin and To are ready to share powers, Article certainly interesting, one only in it is not uncovered: how it is Grudinin and when fell out of the remarkable company "showmen and other clowns"?

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3871257.html V> About sanctions, and other... V> it is strongly similar to my own thoughts on all it. Not the fact that Americans will aggravate. Probably, simply will cover on the sly oxygen while years through 20 next reorganization does not happen when to tops it is all too bothers. Perhaps and earlier as Russia all the same has less than resources, than at world socialist system in 1980.

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Hello, vl690001x, you wrote: V> About sanctions, and other... The Problem is clear and is obvious, as well as at any sat up power... It does not depend on the country! But alternatives unfortunately are not present...

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Hello, susumanin, you wrote: S> Article certainly interesting, one only in it is not uncovered: how it is Grudinin and when fell out of the remarkable company "showmen and other clowns"? Well all but the link I wrote it, if  so article here there is nothing.  the same showman, but I hoped that the serious role is intended it - to become the prime minister, instead of such shameful which as a result got to it.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: CP>> it is obvious that without reprisals more progressive models would start to benefit, and then even the part of dense "quilted jackets" involuntarily would make a choice in their favor. But in the conditions of reprisals oppositional models cannot show the advantage. _> so already was also we remember. 90 progressive models tested all for us. Thanks are not necessary. The youth yes who in 90 in school walked wants . And tsarism did not test? It it is necessary? 90 are inevitable, they are simply removed. They any more will not be in the Eastern Europe. And in Russia they still will be.

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Hello, Tourist, you wrote: T> Hello, CutePredictor, you wrote: CP>> you Exaggerate value of sanctions. For 2014-2016 Russia lost 10 % of gross national product - the power worried. Endures also the big falling. I think that the ten years threatens nothing to system. At me many familiar "quilted jackets" which crisis cost a pretty penny, but all the same they guilty did not consider the power. The power offers them a reduced model which suits them. They also do not consider more difficult models. T> about the true Aryan, here it is interesting to me, your acquaintances  as you them here name and what you think of them? You same "Aryan". Also you write beside the point a topic, and you carp at the form. You do the same remarks on each word "" here at a forum? Hardly. Or insults by which Putin on the camera does, too you are perturbed? Well then there are at you no principles. My post was not pleasant - found to. . I use the settled terms for transmission of an essence of the phenomenon. There are people clever and not so. It is more than second. It is cynical, and on audience such it is impossible to say. But in "scientific discussion" it is admitted.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> I represent for a long time already Russia so. All moves in this direction the Author: qwertyuiop Date: 30.07.15.> It seems, Russia lives the last years, and can even months.> months.> 2015 I look, the history learns you to nothing.

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Hello, CutePredictor, you wrote: CP> There are people clever and not so. It is more than second. It is cynical, and on audience such it is impossible to say. But in "scientific discussion" it is admitted. How you generally reach thought "all fools, one I clever"? Whence such narcissism?

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: V>> in general, Zimbabwe not Zimbabwe, and chance of revival in  power of 21 centuries will still remain until then while the state will be uniform. And when it will be shattered, to incorporate to reversely it do not give. Vi2> and who wants to be shattered here at us, except siberia2? Here as and with the people. Even those who dreams of the national sovereignty, now, not then, understand that without Russia and its nuclear weapon these dreams and remain dreams. Just examples of Libya and Iraq will be before eyes. Someone except analogs siberia2 dreamed of Union decay?

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Hello, neFormal, you wrote: F> Hello, CutePredictor, you wrote: CP>> There are people clever and not so. It is more than second. It is cynical, and on audience such it is impossible to say. But in "scientific discussion" it is admitted. F> as you generally reach thought "all fools, one I clever"? F> whence such narcissism? How you from my logical message "not clever" attributed the majority to me "all fools, one I clever?" The understanding  suffices to deduce a simple postulate "the Modern Russia not the most progressive country".

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> Someone except analogs siberia2 dreamed of Union decay? Here is how time about decay, more truly, an output from the Union dreamed. The same Baltic republics: there even alien there were happy and considered that will be quite good if to leave to Europe. It turned out, truth, not everything that wanted. There were trends and in Central Asia, blown of Central. It not absolutely Union decay because and without them it quite could exist as it existed and to them.

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Hello, CutePredictor, you wrote: CP> you Exaggerate value of sanctions. For 2014-2016 Russia lost 10 % of gross national product - the power worried. Endures also the big falling. I think that the ten years threatens nothing to system. At me many familiar "quilted jackets" which crisis cost a pretty penny, but all the same they guilty did not consider the power. The power offers them a reduced model which suits them. They also do not consider more difficult models. It you about Americans with sanctions? CP> it is obvious that without reprisals more progressive models would start to benefit, and then even the part of dense "quilted jackets" involuntarily would make a choice in their favor. But in the conditions of reprisals oppositional models cannot show the advantage. They cannot freely accumulate resources, advocate the ideas on generally available channels. Therefore remain "pig in a poke" for the passive majority. And when to representatives of this majority you specify in unattractive displays of the present power, the principal answer:" Others same will be ". Therefore instead of evolution in more difficult progressive organizational structures of a society, remains primitive  model. And it in a majority head does not fail immoral or even criminal acts of the power. CP> therefore an output from model I do not see. While repressive machinery works, to the power threatens nothing. Lose the position it can only in default from reprisals or deep crisis. The first is Gorbachev's way and the Eastern Europe while on horizon it is not viewed. As well as the big crisis is improbable. The full exterior economic blockade is for this purpose necessary. In other cases the market and small-scale business does not allow to fall below any level. Even the power of Venezuela at an economy total failure still keeps. Though sooner or later" on reeves "this mode results the country. It is inevitable. Simply to look at the USSR. The disorder reason - less effective business case. Flights in space, any successes in points where resources accumulated prolonged its existence. But  solves efficiency of model. Does not produce the Russian society more difficult model of the citizen which knows the own worth, earns, participates in control. To it a distance while only a part of economic freedom, and that to a certain level of integration. And while more advanced models continue to develop the citizens, Russia will lag behind in it more and more. And fake public institutes will look more and more backward. So, means, Americans arrive incorrectly? It not repressive machinery to launch, and a mode of optimum development of Russia that small businessmen became large and steels in rows of opponents. That well-being of the population grew. But then, it is asked, what for to become opponents?! Or they same, as Ukrainians:  Crimea, and it returns to us?! CP> when this factor works? It is not known, can in 20 or 30 years. But I think, the next decade nothing threatens the power. At you an incorrect message: efficiency is not unprofitableness.