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Topic: About the high prices and salaries vs the low prices and salaries

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> the Question here in what. How it is more favourable - high salaries + the high prices (in relation to other countries) or low salaries + the low prices? Looking for whom. For citizens it is better high salaries and the prices, thus because of cheap import the balance will be a little in their favor. For business on the contrary, less competitive export and and more low  import.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> the Question here in what. How it is more favourable - high salaries + the high prices (in relation to other countries) or low salaries + the low prices? And the second question: how it can be regulated? In it here the most important secret of growth of economy. But there is still a third parameter - an exchange rate. To lift salaries, and behind them of the price - it is easy. In 90 we it saw. People earned millions, and the bread roll cost ten thousand. To Sense? And here to lift salaries, without bringing down thus local currency, it is necessary to raise labor productivity. It is a unique way.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> In it here the most important secret of growth of economy. But there is still a third parameter - an exchange rate. To lift salaries, and behind them of the price - it is easy. In 90 we it saw. People earned millions, and the bread roll cost ten thousand. To Sense? And here to lift salaries, without bringing down thus local currency, Here to here with all it agree. K> it is necessary to raise labor productivity. It is a unique way. And here it is full . Repetition of silly mantras. What at that who put  for 70  labor productivity something who differs from those delivered same in the USA for $2500? Or at me labor productivity more low than at any programmer from Microsoft? Yes a horse-radish! Salaries differ only. Here if to speak about , the robotized factory vs. A metalwork workshop, yes. But  or the programmer to it relations have no installer. Remember on the future. The difference in a standard of living depends only on one factor. The country/organization could wring out how much favourable markets to itself. Here earns the USA on sale of the weapon, Boeings, processors,  both an other expensive hogwash and a standard of living at them above. And to suckers like us feed a fairy tale about labor productivity.

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VD> Remember on the future. The difference in a standard of living depends only on one factor. The country/organization could wring out how much favourable markets to itself. Here earns the USA on sale of the weapon, Boeings, processors,  both an other expensive hogwash and a standard of living at them above. Ah yes. Boeings. Here after all. Swine States. All clamped, sell all Boeings, there is nobody to be punched on this market more. Well, probably, except Brazilian (Brazilian, Charles!) Embraer', Canadian Bombardier', and even own American type Cessna. Here the Boeing does not hinder all of them, and the cat of Russia very much hinders, aha, aha. In connection with Superdzhetom you more than once stated this bosh.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Or at me labor productivity more low than at any programmer from Microsoft? Yes a horse-radish! Salaries differ only. Here if to speak about , the robotized factory vs. A metalwork workshop, yes. But  or the programmer to it relations have no installer. Also what really end-product of your work and results of work of the programmer from Majrosoft as a result bring an identical amount of money? Or how you measure labor productivity of the programmer? In code lines? And a fitter  and other hairdressers are a sphere of services. Their incomes are caused by that, to themselves their clients how many presume. Any one hundred Soviet workers thrown in conditions, say, of the American industry, in some months, even weeks would not lag behind, possibly, from the American working respective categories. Difficulty - in the general organization of work. The Soviet administrative personnel lags behind, by the general rule, from new industrial tasks much more, than workers. Specially I will not tell whence the citation I Will tell only that Bolsheviks hundred years ago where it is better present  understood in what a counter.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> Also what really end-product of your work and results of work of the programmer from Majrosoft as a result bring an identical amount of money? Or how you measure labor productivity of the programmer? In code lines? And what you translate a subject? To you set a good example with , explain, than productivity differs, well, besides, that at us normally still concrete  is necessary, instead of a cardboard to pick?

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: K>> Also what really end-product of your work and results of work of the programmer from Majrosoft as a result bring an identical amount of money? Or how you measure labor productivity of the programmer? In code lines? Ops> and what you translate a subject? To you set a good example with , explain, than productivity differs, well, besides, that at us normally still concrete  is necessary, instead of a cardboard to pick? At first, go . About programmers of Microsoft of the beginnings not I, and Vlad. Secondly, fitters  and other hairdressers are a sphere of services. Their incomes depend on solvency of clients and only. There, where other sectors of economy earn many money, there and the sphere of services formed around, well feels itself.

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Ops> And what you translate a subject? To you set a good example with , explain, than productivity differs, well, besides, that at us normally still concrete  is necessary, instead of a cardboard to pick? And in what a problem of drilling of concrete? When looked, how install , workers drilled a concrete wall quickly enough. And here to suspend  and the portable unit on a concrete wall on the order is easier, than on a cardboard.

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: Ops>> And what you translate a subject? To you set a good example with , explain, than productivity differs, well, besides, that at us normally still concrete  is necessary, instead of a cardboard to pick? DB> and in what a problem of drilling of concrete? When looked, how install , workers drilled a concrete wall quickly enough. And here to suspend  and the portable unit on a concrete wall on the order is easier, than on a cardboard. Here still such problem that it is possible to consider labor productivity statistically, and it is possible economically. The former USSR gravitates to statistics, it is accepted is proud of pig-iron tons, instead of that at you in a purse. Here only it is not enough sense. You Here drilled 100 holes for a day. What your labor productivity? Statistican tells - 100 holes. And the economist tells nothing. Probably, labor productivity very high, and probably any. Suddenly these holes  are not necessary to anybody or can are necessary, but at the client of money are not present. It turns out that you with a drill simply in vain spent day. Here Vlad considers that at it with programmers Microsoft labor productivity identical. But here most likely it is far not so.

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K> Here Vlad considers that at it with programmers Microsoft labor productivity identical. Vlad much that considers, and with enviable stubbornness will prove even things which are easily refuted by school physics.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: VD>> Or at me labor productivity more low than at any programmer from Microsoft? Yes a horse-radish! Salaries differ only. Here if to speak about , the robotized factory vs. A metalwork workshop, yes. But  or the programmer to it relations have no installer. K> also what really end-product of your work and results of work of the programmer from Majrosoft as a result bring an identical amount of money? Or how you measure labor productivity of the programmer? In code lines? And you in what suggest to measure labor productivity of the programmer? In units about which he knows nothing and which is incapable to influence in any way? Then what for generally about productivity to say, if the only thing what plays a role - ability and possibility to attract ? K> I Will tell only that Bolsheviks hundred years ago where it is better present  understood in what a counter. Clearly. A place such. Neither , nor  never help. Well, it is the general case. With States and Germany help, and in Peru or we admit Russia - in any way. So they generally only the world countries somehow work at 10-15, and by any lucky coincidence these countries were the richest and 100 years ago, and 200.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> Here still such problem that it is possible to consider labor productivity statistically, and it is possible economically. Well that is labor productivity of the American hairdresser several times is more?

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: VD>>> Or at me labor productivity more low than at any programmer from Microsoft? Yes a horse-radish! Salaries differ only. Here if to speak about , the robotized factory vs. A metalwork workshop, yes. But  or the programmer to it relations have no installer. K>> also what really end-product of your work and results of work of the programmer from Majrosoft as a result bring an identical amount of money? Or how you measure labor productivity of the programmer? In code lines? LL> and you in what suggest to measure labor productivity of the programmer? In units about which he knows nothing and which is incapable to influence in any way? Then what for generally about productivity to say, if the only thing what plays a role - ability and possibility to attract ? And how still to consider? What variants are? If to take Vlad and the Hindu from MSFT, to plant nearby, it is possible to try to compare their productivity in code lines or in everything. But what it gives to us? In real life Vlad's work and work of that Hindu is only a small part of a long chain. And that this chain as a result  Vlad's all genius, it certainly is not guilty. But there's nothing to be done.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> the Former USSR gravitates to statistics, it is accepted is proud of pig-iron tons, instead of that at you in a purse. The pig-iron ton is a ton of pig-iron. Though in the USA though in the USSR. And here dollar and rouble in purses - to compare it is problematic

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: DB> And in what a problem of drilling of concrete? For example, in necessity of the puncher and drills to it that raises expenditures of workers.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Remember on the future. The difference in a standard of living depends only on one factor. The country/organization could wring out how much favourable markets to itself. Here earns the USA on sale of the weapon, Boeings, processors,  both an other expensive hogwash and a standard of living at them above. So do the weapon, planes, processors and  it is better, than the USA. Who hinders? For example the German/Austrian/Italian hunting weapon will be better American, but also pay for it of more money.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: K>> the Former USSR gravitates to statistics, it is accepted is proud of pig-iron tons, instead of that at you in a purse. DH> the pig-iron ton is a ton of pig-iron. Though in the USA though in the USSR. And here dollar and rouble in purses - to compare it is problematic Well here set we take brighter an example. Specially for you. The pig-iron ton in the USSR and ton of pig-iron at island Indians at ocean has identical value? For people, who do not know what to do with pig-iron, this ton even if will lie underfoot, will cost a zero.   .

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K>>> the Former USSR gravitates to statistics, it is accepted is proud of pig-iron tons, instead of that at you in a purse. DH>> the pig-iron ton is a ton of pig-iron. Though in the USA though in the USSR. And here dollar and rouble in purses - to compare it is problematic K> Well here set we take brighter an example. Specially for you. The pig-iron ton in the USSR and ton of pig-iron at island Indians at ocean has identical value? It has identical physical parameters. Which can be measured and compared. And then it is possible to clarify that in the USSR the pig-iron ton is created by one person for a working day. And for island Indians is an annual operation of all tribe. Here to you and labor productivity.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: K>>>> the Former USSR gravitates to statistics, it is accepted is proud of pig-iron tons, instead of that at you in a purse. DH>>> the pig-iron ton is a ton of pig-iron. Though in the USA though in the USSR. And here dollar and rouble in purses - to compare it is problematic K>> Well here set we take brighter an example. Specially for you. The pig-iron ton in the USSR and ton of pig-iron at island Indians at ocean has identical value? DH> it has identical physical parameters. Which can be measured and compared. DH> and then it is possible to clarify that in the USSR the pig-iron ton is created by one person for a working day. And for island Indians is an annual operation of all tribe. Here to you and labor productivity. I.e. a question "for what this pig-iron?" At an estimation of its value for you at all does not cost?

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> I.e. a question "for what this pig-iron?" At an estimation of its value for you at all does not cost? We estimate pig-iron or labor productivity?

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: K>> I.e. a question "for what this pig-iron?" At an estimation of its value for you at all does not cost? DH> We estimate pig-iron or labor productivity? We consider why labor productivity not enough sense to measure in pig-iron tons.