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Good afternoon.
There is a firm, 50 users. It is divided into two branches on 25 persons.
The primary goal - operation in the specialized (medical) program. The program old (as a matter of fact the file set, without databases etc. weighs 220Gb + 800k files) and  for current iron and structure. Plus absolutely standard tasks - office, mail.
In branch of No1 two physical server.
1. The server No1 (Xeon E5-2420, 16Gb, Win2008 - date the server). The branch No1 works directly, through a mapped network drive.
2. The server No2 (Xeon E5-5506, 24Gb, Win2008 - TerminalServer). The branch No2 on constant VPN to the channel walks on it and launches the program.
Current minuses - the program heavy, brakes. There is no domain, safety on zero.
At present it is acquired two concerning "the new" server (Xeon E5-2670, 16Gb, Win2012Standard + 6 HDD 1Tb SAS), 25 terminal licenses and are the budget of the order to 2 thousand euro.
The task - to offer new structure, to raise reliability, whenever possible - speed, safety.
The question - how can be made it? To leave all as is, simply changing servers and to add any NAS for ? To lift the domain? Or to collect a cluster, buying in addition SSD and to a regiment?

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Viner
To Leave all as is, simply changing servers and to add any NAS for ? To lift the domain? Or to collect a cluster, buying in addition SSD and to a regiment?
To knock on wheels.
What exactly want to solve? What brakes? In what it brakes, in what rests - the processor, disks, storage? If one (two, three) only work - brakes? If to work from local disks, not on a network - brakes?

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lamerAlex
As though to you to explain, I here in firm recently, now in the course of understanding that generally happen. That I have - in the iron and software plan though and it is short, but described above. The former administrator retires in couple of months. I try to understand in all that it constructed for 15 + years though structure here completely not difficult, but it is much assembled on a knee from this that was, when there was no money.
To solve I want now that on the basis of two already bought (not me) servers and small amount of money as that to refine current position that in the future to sleep more easy smile A piece of iron really old, it would not be desirable to wait for the moment when something starts to fall. Therefore I ask for suggestions.
The program in the core brakes at start on a network, from 2-3 to 15 + seconds. Locally it is launched practically at once, though also healthy. At the moment of start thus on what resource-monitor of the server that the anomalous values are not present.

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Viner
Weighs 220Gb + 800k files
What mean +800 files - the program, and 220GB still something it is skeletons and other pictures?
If this program not multiple user no upgrade of iron helps.

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Musik
Medical program. Cards of patients, recipes, descriptions of medicines, notices of doctors, making a list of appointments, statistics what that, correspondence and so on. There archive of all of it  for 10 + years.
It is assured that half of patients already and in live is not present, but the chief very quiveringly to concern it.
From here volume.
The program not multiple user. One exe-shnik on all.

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Viner
The Program not multiple user. One exe-shnik on all.
One  on all it at all an index (not) . Simultaneously some persons can launch it and with it to work? Really all 50 do it by turns.

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lamerAlex
Not correctly understood a question, I apologize. With the program simultaneously work to 20 persons approximately. Normally 10-15.

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Dzhamal
The folder with the program weighs 220Gb and contains approximately 800 files.  normal - 15

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Viner :
lamerAlex
Not correctly understood a question, I apologize. With the program simultaneously work to 20 persons approximately. Normally 10-15.

That that not so in kingdom...
And who supervises integrity of the data in files if at you is not present any DB? You would specify...

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Viner
With the program simultaneously work to 20 persons approximately. Normally 10-15.
Apprx. does not brake at layout on local disks it at one user or at it is normal 10-15 checked?
I.e. if it for example somehow to copy on a terminal server and users of this terminal server will launch its local copy, instead of from an adjacent file server, it becomes more cheerful?
Dzhamal
Well it. It is finite, if so, it will be number:gigi: but if it is serious,  in 220 ... Well... After all, yes? Or alive saw?
And it is loaded in storage all at once, there can 150  one resources:shuffle:

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Dzhamal
dat, var, dll, xml... It is possible to continue long) but these I so I think if no most it is a lot of.

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fedor_ua
And who supervises integrity of the data in files if at you is not present any DB? You would specify...
As speak, not my moped. On the server there are no databases as I understand the program works simply from a folder (I copied on  its light version on 40  and simply launched  - all went without problems). In a program folder there is folder DB with a heap dat files. As developers of this miracle provide integrity, I cannot tell at present, but basically I can  it questions.
According to the local administrator, the program was bought during far times when doctors was 3-4, and computers of only 8 pieces.
Now all too expanded, and as I understood a software remained at former level.

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Viner
Apparently this EXE file also is certain  a database which stores all results in the folder in the form of files.
In this case the terminal server for file caching locally will work should help. That is on all workplaces it is stuffed thin clients and all users climb behind basis on the server of terminals. Here the unique problem - whether is able to work this "basis" in a multiple user mode in the server of terminals.

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Dzhamal
Probably, it will be easier you to allow job to look, how many the RAM is produced to the program of hours in 16 day. Well, that loading to predict....
Was specific now it unfortunately not actually. August here - is time holidays. Office empty actually. Now came looked - terminal sessions only 3, well here again at me I think one-two user now a maximum.

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PowerUser
Here the unique problem - whether is able to work this "basis" in a multiple user mode in the server of terminals.
Probably is able, for
"2. The server No2 (Xeon E5-5506, 24Gb, Win2008 - TerminalServer). The branch No2 on constant VPN to the channel walks on it and launches the program."
Truth then it is not clear that brakes - it is necessary ...

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PowerUser
At present the system works so: at head office of two server (without the domain). One under this program, the second terminal. All from head office climb there directly through a network drive. From the second office through constant  the channel all climb on the terminal the server and therefrom work.

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Viner :
PowerUser
At present the system works so: at head office of two server (without the domain). One under this program, the second terminal. All from head office climb there directly through a network drive. From the second office through constant  the channel all climb on the terminal the server and therefrom work.

It is possible on more in detail - terminal sessions brake? What shows performance the monitor on a terminal server?

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Viner
From here and brakes - on SMB files will be given differently , than in the terminal.
And, I so understand, the program EXE file is launched by users or from local computers, or from the terminal, and it sucks in all data from the fastened network drive.

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fedor_ua
Brakes in the core at the moment of start. On the monitor now anything interesting is not present, as as already wrote above, to the people now is not present. I will try to adjust on data acquisition from a disk, storage and network loading, I will look that shows.
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PowerUser
And, I so understand, the program EXE file is launched by users or from local computers, or from the terminal, and it sucks in all data from the fastened network drive.
On each computer the network drive (speech about head office) - therefrom is picked up and launch. At the second office go on the terminal the server on which the network drive also is picked up. A program physically on the second server.

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Viner
, and try  from the terminal locally to launch pair of copies of a program - ? If  also brakes, most likely, disappear.

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Viner
I would begin with the new version of your doctor's program.
Then it will be visible.
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AlexSashkaff
I would begin with the new version of your doctor's program
New versions are not present, and is not foreseen. The chief is rather conservative. Updates go periodically, but they do not rescue business.
Generally speech initially went, whether if sense to put fresher iron, , and probably what  NAS for . What generally it is possible to refine, already having here it here?

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Viner
once again - try to launch a program locally in the terminal on existing iron.

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PowerUser
Taki once again - try to launch a program locally in the terminal on existing iron.
Means to come physically on  (where the network drive with a program is picked up), and therefrom to launch it? Tomorrow I will try first of all.

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