Hello, Shmj, you wrote: Judging by title, you put equality sign between concepts "shame" and "wines". It so? S> Sense of shame for the last acts implies a faith that you could arrive differently, but made it. Thought of this statement, but 100 % cannot agree with it. Here you went along the street, suddenly fainted, falling, casually pushed the child under wheels of the passing machine. Whether you will test sense of guilt? Most likely yes. Whether you believe, what could arrive differently? Hardly. What now, on streets not to walk? S> I.e. that the choice is not predetermined, not defined by mutual definiteness of all phenomena and processes and depends on certain "free will" which is above a material world. And here I can not agree. If to dig to the essence - all is reduced to algorithms. Unfortunately. With the present freedom in choosing would be more interesting S> As if you try to humiliate another - you believe that the person in the position is guilty itself. And it is a singularity of our animal low mentality. Not to reflect deeply why it so arrived, not to estimate chance of performance by it of your valuable "recommendations" about change of, and simply to demand what want above. And there - who appears more strongly. S> I.e. that it HAD a CHOICE to arrive differently, but it meaningly did not use it. .. You believe that the consciousness does not submit to universal relationship of cause and effect. Yes, to us it is favourable a situation, as if everyone has a choice so easier to manipulate. S> really - anybody from you will not accuse the computer of that that it made a wrong choice. After all it is algorithm - you it can launch one million times and a choice will be the same - all instructions fulfill equally. Even if add and the choice will differ at each start of function - all the same the computer is not guilty, since cannot affect on in any way. S> But why you offend each other, speak about fault, instead of concern one another as to the computer which simply works under the program? S> to change the program it is possible the information. I.e. simply lead up to convergence that it is possible to fulfill such that and such instructions and to receive such that result. S> and when it is a question of insults, censure or about self-flagellation - that of the general with realignment of the program it has no anything. This consequence of that you trust in that that in the person there is SOMETHING that is adjusted by a method. You do not receive the additional helpful information when you offend or when you offend yourselves. Well why, an insult it too the information. A message from a society to the individual - change the behavior or we reject you. And you will die in loneliness.